LOA Absolutes
06-30-2007, 02:58 PM
#11
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CaptainMark and Fr8Hauler, I agree with HoursHore about alafly's post. We shouldn't be stifling anyone's input on these boards. I'm certainly interested in the opinion of someone who is probably going to be most affected by this POS.
06-30-2007, 03:02 PM
#12
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Position: FDX A300 CPT
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Originally Posted by HoursHore
Why ***** at him?
If you applied and got on with FedEx with the assumption that your job starting out would be 27S MEM, and then Age 65 happened pushing everything to the right 5 years, with the added kick in the nuts that you might have to at the very least commute to ANC, CDG, or HKG, or worse live there in a shack, you'd be *****ing too.
If you applied and got on with FedEx with the assumption that your job starting out would be 27S MEM, and then Age 65 happened pushing everything to the right 5 years, with the added kick in the nuts that you might have to at the very least commute to ANC, CDG, or HKG, or worse live there in a shack, you'd be *****ing too.
waaaaa!!!! who makes assumptions?..we have had new hires got to anc and subic..if he doesn't like it then he can wear a blue shirt..and we all got a kick in the nuts with the age 60 change.....i was going to be #1 on the seniority list at 57..now? who knows!!!!
06-30-2007, 03:12 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by hyperone
CaptainMark and Fr8Hauler, I agree with HoursHore about alafly's post. We shouldn't be stifling anyone's input on these boards. I'm certainly interested in the opinion of someone who is probably going to be most affected by this POS.
06-30-2007, 03:31 PM
#14
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Yeah, that's right, I don't have spot on property yet which is pretty much all i've wanted for about 3 years. Like I said, IJMHO from the other side of the fence.
Funny how the senor guys jump on the newbie and the junior guys on property see my side also. Guess it's a memory thing.
I seriously hope this LOA doesn't pass for everyone at FDX. It sets a precedent for lackluster leadership and a tone for worse considerations in the future. I hope I'm wrong..... FWIW, if your a sponsor of anyone (and just about everyone is or would like to be), ask your sponsoree if they like or would accept these terms. .......I didn't think so....
Funny how the senor guys jump on the newbie and the junior guys on property see my side also. Guess it's a memory thing.
I seriously hope this LOA doesn't pass for everyone at FDX. It sets a precedent for lackluster leadership and a tone for worse considerations in the future. I hope I'm wrong..... FWIW, if your a sponsor of anyone (and just about everyone is or would like to be), ask your sponsoree if they like or would accept these terms. .......I didn't think so....
06-30-2007, 03:36 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by alafly
Funny how the senor guys jump on the newbie and the junior guys on property see my side also. Guess it's a memory thing.
well i am in my mid-thirties too..my memory is pretty good!!!
06-30-2007, 03:41 PM
#17
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Alafly,
A bunch of us are very interested in your input. Remember--for a lot of guys--being at FDX is the coolest thing they've ever done. Disresprect towards FDX is as bad as badmouthing your favorite squadron or service branch.
Try this: Glad to be on the team (eventually) and hope I'm not stuck at poverty wages in Hong Kong as I pay my new guy dues....
Remember squadron new guy etiquette? You get to speak your mind....once you've been here about 3 months. (always seemed silly to a loudmouth like me too--but its just a fact of life...)
Captain Mark ain't a bad guy...he just got dropped on his head as a baby and is pretty darn proud of his company. Can't help the first point and I actually appreciate the second point. He'll also help you out once you are on the property--even if you don't believe that right now.
One thing to consider for anyone joining an airline right now is you need to go where you can be happy as a FO for 5-10 years. Rapid upgrades are likely done for a while, and with SWA slowing growth, JB returning airplanes, and a bunch of old guys at CAL now (maybe) getting a 5 year pass....NOBODY is going anywhere fast. Make sure whatever option you take is best for a long haul on the bottom half of the pay scales. This subject is common as guys compare SWA and DAL....SWA wins big if you upgrade at 5-8 years, but if you have to be an FO for 10 plus years, where do you think you'd be happiest?
PM me if you want to vent or have questions. Right now--"gee--can't wait to join the best job in the industry"...
Trust me--lots of people hate this turd of an LOA a lot more than you do...
A bunch of us are very interested in your input. Remember--for a lot of guys--being at FDX is the coolest thing they've ever done. Disresprect towards FDX is as bad as badmouthing your favorite squadron or service branch.
Try this: Glad to be on the team (eventually) and hope I'm not stuck at poverty wages in Hong Kong as I pay my new guy dues....
Remember squadron new guy etiquette? You get to speak your mind....once you've been here about 3 months. (always seemed silly to a loudmouth like me too--but its just a fact of life...)
Captain Mark ain't a bad guy...he just got dropped on his head as a baby and is pretty darn proud of his company. Can't help the first point and I actually appreciate the second point. He'll also help you out once you are on the property--even if you don't believe that right now.
One thing to consider for anyone joining an airline right now is you need to go where you can be happy as a FO for 5-10 years. Rapid upgrades are likely done for a while, and with SWA slowing growth, JB returning airplanes, and a bunch of old guys at CAL now (maybe) getting a 5 year pass....NOBODY is going anywhere fast. Make sure whatever option you take is best for a long haul on the bottom half of the pay scales. This subject is common as guys compare SWA and DAL....SWA wins big if you upgrade at 5-8 years, but if you have to be an FO for 10 plus years, where do you think you'd be happiest?
PM me if you want to vent or have questions. Right now--"gee--can't wait to join the best job in the industry"...
Trust me--lots of people hate this turd of an LOA a lot more than you do...
06-30-2007, 03:47 PM
#19
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Position: A300/310 Capt
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Originally Posted by alafly
Funny how the senor guys jump on the newbie and the junior guys on property see my side also. Guess it's a memory thing.
Seriously, He is on the chopping block on this issue. Atleast he's got the b@lls to stand up against this piece of Sh!t.
If I was on the outside looking in as this young man is, I would be rethinking my career goals also.
06-30-2007, 03:52 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: FDX A300 CPT
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chopping block????? i agree this is substandard LOA ...but go tell a regional pilot he can go fly a fedex widebody overseas with this LOA and i guarantee he will sign up tomorrow knowing what the future holds...i will be voting NO as i have previously stated..but chopping block??? come on guys..the sky is not falling..yet!..like i told the poolie..part of doing business!...no offense to the SENORS!
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