prezbear

Thanks for saying that Huck. Actually, Subic can't take all the credit but those that we on board in this domicile gave 100%.

I believe the reason that you're hearing so much from the Subic pilots is because many of us have lived here for so long. We've had to deal with the problems, inconveniences, and hassles that are involved in a Foreign Domicile Assignment. Not only from an environmental perspective, but from dealing with contract issues and just plain dealing with the company. If you've never lived in an FDA, or haven't had a move package to either LAX or ANC, then you have no idea what hell Steve Hanks can put you through. He's the Senior Manager in Corporate Relocation.

I have put out another thread that has gone unnoticed. The company is waving this LOA out in from of the pilot group, but we have absolutely, positively no idea what the lines are going to look like in either domicile. They could really be awful, but we won't know until this bid is completed. Prior to the company opening Subic they produced some sample schedules. They aren't doing that yet. That scares me.

Prez

fdxflyer

Excellent post. Interesting to consider how the LOA fits your needs and lifestyle when you don't even know what the lines will be like. Goes along with the dramatic lack of specifics in the agreement.

Like the car ride from HK. Would be totally different to do that once a week than every other day. There is no defined limit however. And where will the reserves sit reserve? What will the airport standby conditions be?

Vote NO!

Was that for me

PrezBird and HerkyJerk,

Thanks, I was afraid of this and it speaks to who are "they" wanting to please. I just don't get what the hurry is to ram this down our throat's. I'm really hoping that there's more to this than meets the eye.

"when you sleep with dogs, you'll wake up with fleas"

But I thought "they" visited the system?

Falconjet

We are supposed to TRUST the MEC and NC to protect us.

Don't you feel vulnerable doing so, particularly after their actions over the last few months?

This is the problem with them doing their own thing on Age 60 and the purple nugget passover issue. They have destroyed the trust that is needed and now they are going to the well again in "our best interests" because they are the chosen ones and know more than we do.

Vote for this LOA at your peril. It is a dog. Better to let them open it up without an LOA than to accept a pitiful excuse for compensation.

FJ

ProfessorJoeVee

Ever wonder why there has been such a churn in Pilot Management seats the last few months?

Was that for me

Recall..........?

cma2407

That's pretty arrogant. Maybe the answer is because those guys have actually experienced it. Nobody's asked yet, but here's a couple more questions to mull over:

Health care. What about it? What options do you--or your family--have when you need a doctor? Does our contract/LOA have any provisions for that? Are you going to be "cash only" on the local economy when somebody gets sick?

Actual tax rate. "Equalization" sounds good and all, but how about some real numbers? Being forced to use Fred's tax service will work great for Fred, but what's the reality for the individual when the various taxing authorities are finished? What's the net? How about some examples?

Schedules? Great point earlier: how "optimized" will this setup be? An uncommutable mess of out-and-backs?

There are some questions be be answered before I cast my vote.

prezbear

Was,

I think that want to ram this down our throats because it's a bad deal and the quicker they get it behind them the quicker they can get moving. Apparently, training is crying for a bid so they can keep the pipeline moving.

The most blatant reason, I believe, is that the company waited until late March to travel to Guangzhou. Waited until March? And they were talking then about a mid-May bid? There they found out that Guangzhou wasn't an exceptable site to have expats based. According to many people I've talked to with experience there, it is a complete cesspool. (I'm being polite.) So, they looked for a suitable alternative. Hong Kong. Bing! So, here they throw this abysmal low-ball offer at the negotiating committee and this burned-out group accepts it and sends it to the MEC.

I could be wrong...

Prez

prezbear

Sorry. My mistake.

Gunter

So the question is framed--

1) Vote for the LOA and junior folks CAN be "excessed" into the FDAs via temporary SVT assignments when not enough bubbas bid for it.

2)Vote against the LOA and risk foreign pilots at foreign domiciles and possilbe furlourghes to follow. Stagnation in seat at a minimum.


I think the company overhired for this very situation. Enough folks to volunteer for the FDAs instead of using a majority of newhires (anticipating LOA approval). Over 60 guys aggravate the overmanning and a fat workforce is more likely to vote for something to enhance seat movement.


I predict the greed of the top 60-75% of the pilots to take over and the LOA to pass. They will not want to stop the gravy train under the new contract.

But it is not the right thing to do. DW knows it and that is why he isn't using that line now, as he did with retroactivity. Ignoring or disrespecting the input of the SFS folks speaks volumes.