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02-27-2023, 12:48 AM

#31

AusAviator

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Originally Posted by threeighteen

Hawaiian is really going to be operating their cargo flights under 117?

Yep. Confirmed by management. Along with 3.5 trip rig.

02-27-2023, 11:33 AM

#32

NVR L8

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Sun Country does too!

03-02-2023, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres

At 150 bucks more an hour, 7 times the retirement DC, and under part 117. Pattern bargain up, strike, or resign.

To Amazon, Hawaiian is still just another contractor...

03-03-2023, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

To Amazon, Hawaiian is still just another contractor...

A well paid contractor under 117 rules to boot

03-03-2023, 12:44 PM

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PineappleXpres

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

To Amazon, Hawaiian is still just another contractor...

And amazon employees are treated worse. What is your argument of hierarchy?

03-04-2023, 10:50 AM

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tnkrdrvr

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

To Amazon, Hawaiian is still just another contractor...

Would you rather be a better paid subcontractor with solid work rules and no guarantees for the future or a poorly paid subcontractor with mediocre work rules and no guarantees for the future.

03-05-2023, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr

Would you rather be a better paid subcontractor with solid work rules and no guarantees for the future or a poorly paid subcontractor with mediocre work rules and no guarantees for the future.

Pretty much. Hawaiian also has the diversification of their passenger operation. Atlas and Sun Country are also diversified. ATI is a one trick pony besides the small amount of AMC work.

We'll see if pattern bargaining raises all boats.

03-07-2023, 03:45 PM

#38

Rama

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If you got hired by Hawaiian to fly the freighters today, our pay a year from now will be $180/hr as a 330 FO.

03-08-2023, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rama

If you got hired by Hawaiian to fly the freighters today, our pay a year from now will be $180/hr as a 330 FO.

Excellent, I enjoy Hawaii and lived there a few decades ago. Pay needs to be on par with the cost of living to enjoy a decent life and not just eek by.

03-08-2023, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by C17B74

Excellent, I enjoy Hawaii and lived there a few decades ago. Pay needs to be on par with the cost of living to enjoy a decent life and not just eek by.

Freight is based in CVG. $180/hr to live in CINCINNATI!!! Or a gateway city.