Cargo/AMCI rankings?
04-30-2023, 07:17 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Urine Trouble
You could try Western Global. I know a few of their pilots reside in AMS.
04-30-2023, 10:50 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry
AMS is a formal crew base. With FedEx closing the CGN base, don't know of any other U.S. carriers that have a formal base in Europe. WGA may be lacking a lot of things, but if you live in Europe, particularly in Northwest Europe, a short commute to AMS, versus having to rely on jumpseating or buying tickets to the States, goes a long way to towards reducing stress, increasing time off at home, and bettering QOL.
The Western Global AMS base was formed as a reward for some long-serving Dutch pilots who help with anti-ALPA activities and the recruitment of foreign contract pilots. You will not get a foreign base (other than possibly ICN) as a new hire. The flight operations managers will promise anything to get you to join, but when your training is complete, HR will never change your base away from the US address they force you to maintain. Many have already resigned over this issue.
Other than ICN, WG doesn’t fly into to its overseas bases anyway. You’ll start/end your duty with a long, middle seat economy deadhead to wherever they need you most.
05-09-2023, 09:43 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by Faganb1
All good points. I think we have German residency requirements met with a side business my wife will be running and we own a house in the States that should meet the US address requirements.
I've had trouble finding info about UPS's intra-Europe routes. (Did I miss that forum thread?) If I couldn't hold them as a new hire it wouldn't be an option for me.
Thoughts on how easy it'll be for young guys to hold FedEx CGN routes they switch to the 777 and commute from MEM? I'd just commute from home.
I'm guessing Atlas and Kalitta would be the safest bets. Seems like guys have moderate success asking scheduling to start and end trips in Europe.
Anyone living this life right now that can speak to the realities of it?
Thanks!!
I've had trouble finding info about UPS's intra-Europe routes. (Did I miss that forum thread?) If I couldn't hold them as a new hire it wouldn't be an option for me.
Thoughts on how easy it'll be for young guys to hold FedEx CGN routes they switch to the 777 and commute from MEM? I'd just commute from home.
I'm guessing Atlas and Kalitta would be the safest bets. Seems like guys have moderate success asking scheduling to start and end trips in Europe.
Anyone living this life right now that can speak to the realities of it?
Thanks!!
13 un-interrupted days off per month. You get 11 at Atlas because you have to commute on your days off.
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05-09-2023, 03:29 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by Hawkerdriver1
National has world wide home basing. But, economy on returns home.
13 un-interrupted days off per month. You get 11 at Atlas because you have to commute on your days off.
HD
13 un-interrupted days off per month. You get 11 at Atlas because you have to commute on your days off.
HD
05-09-2023, 04:38 PM
#15
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Commuting isn't really a day off, regardless of who pays for it or how you get there. It's time granted to the company, for which you aren't paid. To say a travel day is a day off is a bit like calling perdiem part of your salary. It's not.
05-09-2023, 06:06 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Commuting isn't really a day off, regardless of who pays for it or how you get there. It's time granted to the company, for which you aren't paid. To say a travel day is a day off is a bit like calling perdiem part of your salary. It's not.
Per diem is not salary, but it is part of your compensation.
05-09-2023, 07:49 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by WGTruth
The Western Global AMS base was formed as a reward for some long-serving Dutch pilots who help with anti-ALPA activities and the recruitment of foreign contract pilots. You will not get a foreign base (other than possibly ICN) as a new hire. The flight operations managers will promise anything to get you to join, but when your training is complete, HR will never change your base away from the US address they force you to maintain. Many have already resigned over this issue.
Other than ICN, WG doesn’t fly into to its overseas bases anyway. You’ll start/end your duty with a long, middle seat economy deadhead to wherever they need you most.
Other than ICN, WG doesn’t fly into to its overseas bases anyway. You’ll start/end your duty with a long, middle seat economy deadhead to wherever they need you most.
05-09-2023, 08:22 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry
Interesting…I got AMS immediately as a new hire, and yes, I am American. Have yet to ever sit in a middle seat.
05-09-2023, 08:47 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by Faganb1
I've got no illusions that it'll be cheap or easy, but we'll give it a try. I know there's a couple FedEx guys that commute STN-MEM that seem to be doing ok. We looked at staying in the UK but after Brexit the immigration lawyer said don't bother. Germany however will gladly take all our money in exchange for residency. And we've already got an Airbnb there so it makes sense. Whichever way it goes, I'll be happy to share my experiences here for future guys like me.
05-10-2023, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry
Interesting…I got AMS immediately as a new hire, and yes, I am American. Have yet to ever sit in a middle seat.
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