NEW LOA thoughts and info
Enough Already?
07-22-2007 | 05:30 PM
#22
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I'm not buying the scope argument. In my opinion, the LOA doesn't address it out either; it just allows us to operate out of CDG and HKG, much like we already do at SFS. In order to ensure safe reliable operations from day one, they need us to be flying those aircraft.
Starting with the substandard move package, pitiful housing allowance, mumbo jumbo tax equalization, and worst of all, the STV option, this LOA is a huge give back to the company.
It also specifically targets a select group of pilots (single, or couples w/o kids) which I believe is wrong. It should appeal to all 4800 of us. It further divides us and damages our future collective bargaining power.
I'm ready to move forward with the company and dominate the Asian and European markets, but not with this LOA.
As I've said before, it's about freedom of choice and fairness for all of us. I wish our union felt the same way...
Still voting No and not bidding it
SG
Starting with the substandard move package, pitiful housing allowance, mumbo jumbo tax equalization, and worst of all, the STV option, this LOA is a huge give back to the company.
It also specifically targets a select group of pilots (single, or couples w/o kids) which I believe is wrong. It should appeal to all 4800 of us. It further divides us and damages our future collective bargaining power.
I'm ready to move forward with the company and dominate the Asian and European markets, but not with this LOA.
As I've said before, it's about freedom of choice and fairness for all of us. I wish our union felt the same way...
Still voting No and not bidding it
SG
07-22-2007 | 05:36 PM
#23
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From: Airbus F/O
Times like these make me question the INTELLIGENCE of pilots negotiating on behalf of pilots VS. a Fortune 500 company like FDX. Never take investment advice from a fellow pilot, never follow some get rich scheme from a fellow pilot, never go into business with another pilot ... should I place my current/future earnings and quality of life in the hands of negotiators who took an ALPA sponsored negotiating course and call themselves qualified? Well, I guess we do since this is all we've got.
IMO -- Much rather have professional negotiators do the dirty work. Then we can FIRE THEM when they don't get the job done! What a concept!
VOTE NO!
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07-22-2007 | 05:59 PM
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From: FDX Captain
No sorry needed
You are pretty correct in the assumption about us having much of a say though. They are going to do what they are going to do.
We have a very limited say, and none if we aren't unified.
PUI? Initials? or am I not keeping up on the latest internet lingo?
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07-22-2007 | 07:01 PM
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07-22-2007 | 07:05 PM
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07-22-2007 | 07:18 PM
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Stand tall and deliver
Whats to lose voting down this LOA??
Well for ......
1. We can't be inversely sent on a "foreign vacation"
for up to 3 months
2. We can't spend 2 years or more in a FDA homeschooling our kids.
3. We get FedEx to do our taxes for us and tell us how much we owe them!
4. WE can't be sure what health benefits we'll have or how it will be handled until something bad happens.
5. We don't really know what a decent place to rent in HKG or CDG costs until were committed to living there.
6. Since we get for protection from a fluctuating dollar (in recent years, just declining) we don't know what our true cost of living we be, just how long we have to stay and what housing allowance we'll receive (in dollars).
What to gain voting down the LOA??
1. A chance to have our voice heard regarding what we feel is a fair and reasonable package.
2. The chance to remove any provisions that force a pilot to spend for one to three months in a STV earning no pay (but per Diem
) while away from home but not actually flying.
3. A chance to have all FedEx pilots consider a posting in HKG or CDG rather than just those who made a personal decision not to have a family.
4. A chance to set the bar a little higher than the low ball offer we've had put in front of us.
Shoot this dog before he bites someone!
Well for ......
1. We can't be inversely sent on a "foreign vacation"
for up to 3 months2. We can't spend 2 years or more in a FDA homeschooling our kids.
3. We get FedEx to do our taxes for us and tell us how much we owe them!
4. WE can't be sure what health benefits we'll have or how it will be handled until something bad happens.
5. We don't really know what a decent place to rent in HKG or CDG costs until were committed to living there.
6. Since we get for protection from a fluctuating dollar (in recent years, just declining) we don't know what our true cost of living we be, just how long we have to stay and what housing allowance we'll receive (in dollars).
What to gain voting down the LOA??
1. A chance to have our voice heard regarding what we feel is a fair and reasonable package.
2. The chance to remove any provisions that force a pilot to spend for one to three months in a STV earning no pay (but per Diem
) while away from home but not actually flying.3. A chance to have all FedEx pilots consider a posting in HKG or CDG rather than just those who made a personal decision not to have a family.
4. A chance to set the bar a little higher than the low ball offer we've had put in front of us.
Shoot this dog before he bites someone!
07-23-2007 | 06:27 AM
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From: FDX Airbus F/O
Whats to lose voting down this LOA??
Well for ......
1. We can't be inversely sent on a "foreign vacation" for up to 3 months
2. We can't spend 2 years or more in a FDA homeschooling our kids.
3. We get FedEx to do our taxes for us and tell us how much we owe them!
4. WE can't be sure what health benefits we'll have or how it will be handled until something bad happens.
5. We don't really know what a decent place to rent in HKG or CDG costs until were committed to living there.
6. Since we get for protection from a fluctuating dollar (in recent years, just declining) we don't know what our true cost of living we be, just how long we have to stay and what housing allowance we'll receive (in dollars).
What to gain voting down the LOA??
1. A chance to have our voice heard regarding what we feel is a fair and reasonable package.
2. The chance to remove any provisions that force a pilot to spend for one to three months in a STV earning no pay (but per Diem) while away from home but not actually flying.
3. A chance to have all FedEx pilots consider a posting in HKG or CDG rather than just those who made a personal decision not to have a family.
4. A chance to set the bar a little higher than the low ball offer we've had put in front of us.
Shoot this dog before he bites someone!
Well for ......
1. We can't be inversely sent on a "foreign vacation"
for up to 3 months2. We can't spend 2 years or more in a FDA homeschooling our kids.
3. We get FedEx to do our taxes for us and tell us how much we owe them!
4. WE can't be sure what health benefits we'll have or how it will be handled until something bad happens.
5. We don't really know what a decent place to rent in HKG or CDG costs until were committed to living there.
6. Since we get for protection from a fluctuating dollar (in recent years, just declining) we don't know what our true cost of living we be, just how long we have to stay and what housing allowance we'll receive (in dollars).
What to gain voting down the LOA??
1. A chance to have our voice heard regarding what we feel is a fair and reasonable package.
2. The chance to remove any provisions that force a pilot to spend for one to three months in a STV earning no pay (but per Diem
) while away from home but not actually flying.3. A chance to have all FedEx pilots consider a posting in HKG or CDG rather than just those who made a personal decision not to have a family.
4. A chance to set the bar a little higher than the low ball offer we've had put in front of us.
Shoot this dog before he bites someone!
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