Rowdy1

FIRST :I speak as someone that does have “Intel” and others would consider me “in the know”. I will share reliable facts, what the current situation is, and you then can vote as you will. I won’t sit here and defend these statements and get into verbal attacks, I will just educate some that might not have the correct info and are willing to be the “+ 1” out of frustration. Heres the info:1) This was a very in-depth negotiation. The MEC did come to the table with a much more “elevated” starting point. (so did the company) There were many “heated” negotiations, schooling was an absolute no for the company, the “seed” money was a big plus for the negotiation, it still isn’t the best, but when we discussed the alternatives of lack of progression and job stagnation we completed negotiations. Trust the MEC when I tell you ‘we will not be getting a LOA round 2, this is it, trust me’2) The company currently believes we have an excess of 500 pilots, NOT including how age 60 will affect us. Currently the high staffing will be for the training float, additional a/c, the new open time "open period", AND (mostly) the (2) new bases. The company expects the excess to continue due to the AGE 60 pilots returning to the back of the B727. (The company did not expect this high of a retainment)3) SIBA will be gone, it will not return even with a no vote on the LOA, the company was very definite about this.4) When/IF the LOA is voted done, the company has two optionsa. Open the domicile without the LOA. Due to legal and current contractual issues this is not what we want. (TRUST ME)b. Open the bases without FedEx pilots flying FedEx A/C. This will do massive damage to career expectations across the board. And this is not a rumor it has been researched and is a viable alternative that the company is prepared to go through with.5) As a side note the company’s analysis of previously trained on the B757 have been on the property for less than 4.5 years (FDA Captains) and the current hiring pool would provide a more than an abundance of B757 pilots (FDA F/O’s). The company has already considered prior to this LOA to hire directly into BOTH seats directly from the pool (i.e. ANC MD).6) Being based in CDG or HKG will not be a windfall of finances or living conditions. The company will not be “throwing” any more money at us for going. Please review calculations on how the additional Captain positions, additional a/c and a continued hiring process and how it will affect your position.7) Be Careful what we wish for, because we might just get it. FINAL THOUGHT : Be ready for the alternative, this is NOT where we want to make our contractual stand, save it for three years when we re-enter negotiations. TRUST ME.

MaydayMark

Please put the crack pipe down ... you've had enough. I recommend www.drug-rehabs.org

TRUST YOU? You sound like some management stooge?

I didn't know PC was a member of this forum? And by the way ... the FPA contract you tried to "sell us" wasn't a great deal either. We were able to do better after we said NO on that. Why not this?

I wonder who gets the BIG MBO bonus if we bite off on this?


Regards ...

HazCan

First post and he comes out swingin!!!

Sarcasm on: I am sooooo glad you came to enlighten me. I wasn't able to read this POS and think for myself. I WILL continue to follow orders. How high should I jump? Sarcasm off. I actually don't think the whole thing is a POS, but there are a lot of missing details. The big NO for me is because of the TDY issue.

So, FedEx (the company that about had an aneurism hiring direct to the right seat of the -11) is going to hire directly into the LEFT seat of a widebody and then send the guy to a FDA? Interesting. To quote the great Wayne "shhhhhyeahhh, and monkeys might fly out of my butt".

If they could staff overseas ops with cheaper pilots and not do great damage to the brand name, they would have already done it. We're already paid too much, right?

I don't know who you are, or who you know, or what kind of inside info you have-but crack kills.

angry tanker

First, I would like to say...Go ******* Yourself with these scare tactics. Unless you are willing to say who you are and where you came up with this info, forget it.
Second, if you are in the know, why the he double hockey sticks did you let this SVT/STV/STD crap get into the LOA??? This in itself is the deal breaker. What is worse than opening up a bid and then being forced to live there?
Third, Explain why we don't want them to open the FDA's under the current CBA? As a union guy knowing full well this was up coming, why didn't we position ourselves better for this, instead of, say, VIBA?
Fourth, How can you guarantee they won't continue SIBA? They have to move it somehow, and I am guessing a judge will say, "You aren't making less money, you used to pay for this..."
Answer these four points and what ever questions the rest of the crowd has, and I might consider listening. until then ****!
Oh, and as a potential person that was going to bid this, explain to me how they are going to provide adequate health care, reliable, safe transportation, and what my schedule might look like. Thanks Rowdy1

jzuniga

How the $%LL do you expect us to take you seriously with all that threatening BS, when you don't even give your name, and you've never posted before. I don't care what you say or what anyone else does, I'm still voting NO!
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boxhauler

Everything you say might be true, and yet i'll still vote no just on the stv issue. I just cannot hand the company the power to send me involuntarily overseas for three months at stretch. nice of you "in the know guys" to pipe in. But unless i read it in a union comm, i wont believe it. If what you say is true, why wouldnt the union inform us of that?

MaydayMark

Surely, if there were a train that "was about to leave the station" our union would certainly advise us to jump on ... or miss out on being able to drive the choo choo later.

The lack of communication from the union (except for TonyC, thanks Tony) on this issue is especially disturbing. What's up with that anyway?

Regards,

hamfisted

Rowdy1.....what kind of fungi you smokin to come on this website and try to spout some threatening company-sponsored crap and expect us to take anything you say as credible?? You're either a mgmt lurker who saw this LOA getting torched here and decided to enlighten us as to how stupid we actually are or......you are one of the 11 YES votes who is insulted we aren't swallowing this POS LOA with the plastic spoon you gave us. Your FIRST post and you vomit your disinformation all over yourself....hit the bricks and have a nice life ......TRUST ME you stooge! And yes, if you can't tell; I took your amateurish lecture personally.

ClutchCargo

Check out his profile. If true, Albie should know who he is.

kronan

Rowdy,

almost without fail, whenever someone says "trust me", its usually a mistake.

I don't want a economic or lifestyle windfall to open the FDA, just want to maintain the status quo, and I don't think that's likely with the LOA as written.

current move package already gives me 10k or 79CH, whichever is greater, at the new rate of pay.....so, the new hire capt gets more bucks with the existing CBA than would with the LOA....assuming the FDA is not his first domicile

and, if i understand your argument, we have too many pilots, but, if we vote down the loa, the company will hire more pilots to do the flying already being done by existing employees?

something else i don't understand, fedex is retaining more pilots due to the possible changes to Age 60 (timing TBD) yet, my relative seniority moved up 150 numbers.....why is that? while I don't have the old retirement chart, I seem to recall the retirement forecast was about 170 in 2006 (its 126 in 07 and 151 in 08

why again, should I trust someone making his/her first ever post on APC?


instead of a rental allowance for LOA move option 2 (no rental allowance for option 1).....why not something similar to what some companies provide. When my cousin moved to Paris for his company, they handed him the keys to a company car, flat, and a COLA.