iarapilot

If we already have SIBA in the contract, why would you think the Company would want STV?? Ask yourself that question, read the contract pertaining to SIBA, and then read the LOA.

It should become apparent, for many reasons.

1. SIBA pays trip rig/TAFB. STV DOES NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because of that, the company can send you for a bid period under STV and pay you only for the days you work, plus per diem.

2. With SIBA you are paid to DH to your location. It looks like under STV, you are treated like an FDA "bidder" and may not get paid your 4 day relocation in both directions. Someone, please correct me if I am wrong on this. Remember that it is not specifically stated that you will be paid to DH on STV. And, thinking like the blue collar workers we are (no offense to anybody here, just fact) any ambiguity is in the companies favor.

3. Did the Company come up with STV because of some PSP philosophy? Dont think so McFly. AS JL said, they are supposed to make a profit!

There are many around that are smarter than I, and should add to the list.....please!

Bottom line. STV was concocted to save the company money. It negates our present work rules in the context of an STV assignment.

Haywood JB

I think those are some of the dangers of this STV...it is not clearly stated in this LOA how the company can use it.

They are going to have to pay us to commute out and back, but I wouldn't be suprised if it is before and after the bid month we are "vacationing."

The STV is a huge loss in pay for those having to go over, it is also a confienment(sp) process where we are subject to a non commutable schedule(similar to one's I won't even bid in Mem).

I do agree there are a lot of ambiguities in this LOA in regards to STV and how it will be handled. I would assume they have to follow the general bylaws of the CBA for everything else once we are there, but you know what happens when we assume

Still, I think it is a bad deal, vote for me, vote NO!

MEMA300

STV will allow the day of rest after the DH to FDA and the rest before the DH back to MEM to all be off the clock. That is two days of work gained right there. Also all the long layovers in siba europe will go away because they will DH you back to CDG to get you off duty. So no more 77hr layovers in TLV or the common 50 hr layovers in CDG. This is a huge gain for FDX. The SIG can show us right now what CDG lines would look like under STV as opposed to SIBA. I wonder why they dont? Might sway the vote.

FDXLAG

I talked to the SIG, they have nothing. Your guess is probably as good as theirs. It was the NC and the MEC responsibility to get that info before they passed this turd onto us.

RedeyeAV8r

Well so will the FDA.. I realize your point and you are correct, but that is why the company wants these places domiciles.

The STV clause sux, no question, but everything you said will still apply to FDA based crews, with the exception of no Paid hotel, No 24/7 per diem and NO paid DH with the significant other.

a300fr8dog

Redeye,

"Domicile" and "Foreign Duty Assignment (FDA)" are not inter-changable words.

DOMICILE
An airport or co-terminal airports, designated by the Company, to which pilots are permanently assigned. A domicile is aircraft and base specific. A pilot's base is his domicile, except for pilots assigned to an FDA or temporary vacancy.

FOREIGN DUTY ASSIGNMENT
An assignment of a pilot to a base outside the United States, or its territories, designated by the Company, for greater than 3 bid periods. A pilot holding an FDA shall be permanently domiciled in MEM.

It might be splitting hairs to you, but definitions are important to understand the EXACT picture of what your words are trying to say: ie LOA.

RedeyeAV8r

Ok replace all my "Domiciles" with FDA and you get the picture.

THE FDA's will alleviate the need to pay long Trip rig trips as well as hotel and Big international Deadhead costs. STV will do the same thing except the company will still cough up Deadhead costs and hotels plus per diem.
I agree they will save $$.

FDXFLYR

A slight tangent: I don't buy the idea that the company does not know what the lines for the FDA will look like. I suspect they've had these constructed for many months now. It would be irresponsible for mgmt to make a comitment to foreign basing without costing it all out first.

If the lines were going to be no problem, mgmt would be publishing them right now as a tool to sway the vote. They are however, holding back because I think they know it'll be one more thing we will find wrong with the LOA.

FDXLAG

Would it be irresponsible of the NC and MEC not to demand the lines that supposedly will be available on 15 Aug?

DLax85

Yes.

...just another example of the apparent complicity involved in this LOA.