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Originally Posted by fdx727pilot (Post 213369)

Has anyone actually been paid that sect. 6E1e bonus since the initial opening of SFS? Reading through that section makes it sound pretty much optional for the company to pay it. Kinda like a bribe.

You know...I'm not really sure.

However, I would think they would have had to bribe a few to get to these FDAs. But, its water under the bridge. It's certainly irrelevant for these FDAs.

Maybe the SFS(Sioux Falls?) folks could answer that.

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Originally Posted by fdx727pilot (Post 213369)

Has anyone actually been paid that sect. 6E1e bonus since the initial opening of SFS? Reading through that section makes it sound pretty much optional for the company to pay it. Kinda like a bribe.

Yes, everyone here in SFS has been paid the 79 CH hours. It is NOT optional. The only people who were not paid it were new hires. They get screwed on that deal and only get a flat bonus of $2000.

And you get 79 CH to move back.

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Originally Posted by skypine27 (Post 213412)

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Originally Posted by fdx727pilot (Post 213369)

Has anyone actually been paid that sect. 6E1e bonus since the initial opening of SFS? Reading through that section makes it sound pretty much optional for the company to pay it. Kinda like a bribe.

Yes, everyone here in SFS has been paid the 79 CH hours. It is NOT optional. The only people who were not paid it were new hires. They get screwed on that deal and only get a flat bonus of $2000.

Maybe you should read Sect 6.E.1.e. before you answer -- you're apparently confused. It has nothing to do with 79 Credit Hours.

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True but, the way I read the section; if no one is getting the bonus it is because the MEC isn't contesting it. How do you read it?

That's the way I read it, too.

Like, they have to agree...Or it goes to the system board.

Of course, I never got the "cats and dogs" for the contract explaining what everything meant.

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Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 213464)

Maybe you should read Sect 6.E.1.e. before you answer -- you're apparently confused. It has nothing to do with 79 Credit Hours.

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Thanks, Tony. I stand by my 1st post. The first part of that section reads, in part "a pilot, other than a pilot assigned to an FDA location as his first crew position, may be eligible for an FDA bonus as follows" That "may" means they don't have to pay it. As I understand it, it hasn't been paid since the original opening of SFS.

e. In addition to the relocation allowance provided in Section 6.C.2., a pilot, other than a pilot assigned to an FDA location as his first crew position, may be eligible for an FDA bonus as follows:

i. The amount of the bonus, if any, shall be determined by the Company after consultation with the Association.

ii. In no case shall an FDA bonus exceed $20,000 for each Captain or $15,000 for each First and Second Officer.

iii.The Company may condition a pilot's eligibility to receive or retain the bonus on his activation at the FDA location and/or his service at the FDA location for a minimum period of time. In no case, however, shall the service requirement at any FDA exceed 4 years. The minimum period for the FDA in Subic Bay shall remain 3 years.

iv. If the Company and the Association disagree as to the amount of an FDA bonus, if any, the disagreement may be submitted for resolution to the System Board. The System Board shall lack jurisdiction to establish FDA bonuses in excess of the maximums established in Section 6.E.1.e.ii. (above).

v. A pilot shall not be eligible for an additional FDA bonus as a result of a change of crew status within the same FDA location.

Has the company consulted with the association IAW i?

Has the company established a time limit to receive the bonus? In SFS the minimum is 3 years.

Has the Union appealed the amount to the system board?

Do these sound like legitimate questions to see how much support someone at an FDA will get from the union?

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Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 213511)

e. In addition to the relocation allowance provided in Section 6.C.2., a pilot, other than a pilot assigned to an FDA location as his first crew position, may be eligible for an FDA bonus as follows: [INDENT]i. The amount of the bonus, if any, shall be determined by the Company after consultation with the Association.

Still strictly up to the company whether they want to pay it or not. And based on the seniority of SFS captains, it is not a senior-junior issue, as the junior Cap there is way more senior than any other WB except LAX. The company didn't need to pay it to get Captains over there, so they didn't.
Doesn't appear as if the MEC has anything to say about it, other than what the amount is if the company pays it.

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Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 213464)

Maybe you should read Sect 6.E.1.e. before you answer -- you're apparently confused. It has nothing to do with 79 Credit Hours.
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Tony:

I stand corrected. I did not read the quoted section when I answered with the 79 CH remark.

Yes, everyone gets their 79 CH to come to SFS (except new hires), and everyone gets the 79 CH when they leave (either excessed out, and/or leaving own their own accord providing they have met the 3 year commitment).

And no, I don't know anyone who has been paid the "20 K / 15 K bonus". Maybe just the first round of guys who got here when the base first opened, I have not asked them about that.

I miss-thought, when I read the word "bonus" in the previous person's post, my mind went to the 79 credit hour payment. You are correct, this is not a bonus, but a mandatory contractual payment.