Originally Posted by fdx727pilot (Post 212606)

Sallright, just confusing as originally posted. Although, I'll bet a lot of CDG Capts are ex-NB FOs. That's quite a pay jump ($108 to $180 based on second year pay,) even at Paris prices.

Originally Posted by kronan (Post 213798)

This LOA was voted on, there was a grass roots effort that worked fairly aggressively trying to send it back for additional work and $$$, an effort that failed.
The majority of FedEx pilots voted Yes (whatever their rational, they voted Yes.) And, a majority of the FedEx pilots actually voted.

I am not going to walk around with a sticker saying don't blame me, I voted No on the LOA. Nor am I going to walk around with a 32% sticker. I believe in Democracy, even when the vote doesn't go the way I want.

And sorry, can't agree that passing this LOA took $$$ out of my pocket. There were certainly potential $$$ out there. The company could have come back with a better offer if we had voted no. But, they might not have, potential $$$$ gone almost as quickly as they came.
So, we will never know what might have happened, we can fantasize all we want about where we could have been, but when we wake up.....the LOA is still going to be here.

Live in the now.
F.I.D.O.
Forget It Drive On

Originally Posted by kronan (Post 213798)

This LOA was voted on, there was a grass roots effort that worked fairly aggressively trying to send it back for additional work and $$$, an effort that failed.
The majority of FedEx pilots voted Yes (whatever their rational, they voted Yes.) And, a majority of the FedEx pilots actually voted.

I am not going to walk around with a sticker saying don't blame me, I voted No on the LOA. Nor am I going to walk around with a 32% sticker. I believe in Democracy, even when the vote doesn't go the way I want.

And sorry, can't agree that passing this LOA took $$$ out of my pocket. There were certainly potential $$$ out there. The company could have come back with a better offer if we had voted no. But, they might not have, potential $$$$ gone almost as quickly as they came.
So, we will never know what might have happened, we can fantasize all we want about where we could have been, but when we wake up.....the LOA is still going to be here.

Live in the now.
F.I.D.O.
Forget It Drive On

Originally Posted by WhoopWhoop (Post 213920)

Well, actually, since we're paid in US dollars and will be buying brie in Euro AND it's currently $1.40US/1 Euro...

$178*(60%)=$106.8

You're pay raise just became a pay CUT due to the weakness of the dollar. Of course this is only completely true if you spend all you make, but if you add in the fact that things are more expensive over there excluding the Euro factor, this is pretty reasonable. Family just got back from a month over there. It's friggin' EXPENSIVE! Good thing we didn't get a COLA... And thank the Union that you'll only be out of pocket a couple (or several) grand a month for housing!

A proud 32%'er.

Originally Posted by fdx727pilot (Post 213943)

Originally Posted by md11phlyer (Post 213773)

I can almost guarantee you that the initial cadre will be almost exclusively 32%ers. Why? Because we wanted to go. Because we are in a socio-economic position to afford it. Because we read the ****ing LOA because we were genuinely interested and realized that it was a ****ty deal so we voted NO!

Somebody quoted Chimenti at some point saying "Don't take money out of those guy's pockets that want to go, vote yes." Well, you took a lot more away by voting this in. :mad:

I just want to make sure that all of you YES voters remember the basis for your decision when negotiations come around. "We have no leverage, we'll fix it when negotiations come around," you snivel. I'll remember that. Odds of these deals improving with so many other issues to tackle on the next CBA: 0

I know I don't have to bid it, but I am probably going to because I can make it work. Every bad deal that goes down will be reported, and I expect all you 'yes' men to be thumping your chests come contract time since you now have your precious 'leverage.'

Stored up LOA Result Anger Vent complete. :D

Originally Posted by MEMFO4Ever (Post 213928)

Nope. And if they STV me, I won't go.

Originally Posted by Toccata (Post 213778)

Just curious - which FDA interests you? Would you have bid it without the LOA (assuming the FDA vacancy bid occurred)?