China RVSM Procedures
10-19-2007, 03:59 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by FreightDawgyDog
I think it is a lot to ask of us since we have been told by some over 60 office dweller we do not possess unique skills and are not worthy of the normal FedEx management expat package.
10-19-2007, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
Just shut up ... and color.
Hey stay inside the line and you can't color the sky green.............
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10-19-2007, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FLMD11CAPT
This is another half baked, half thought out, half a$$ed "patch" fix by the "non line flying" ivory tower dwellers in standards. Instead of considering the Safety issues already in play in China, they promugate a proceedure which will only exacerbate communication, proceedure, and performance errors. Where is the Safety department on this? Hello....anyone? Bueler....Beuler? Silent and asleep at the switch as usual. Feet to meters, back to feet.......and a timed guess......hmmmm........someones going to get rich with a 'failure to provide a safe working enviornment/guidance' lawsuit based on due diligence. See you in Beijing!
I was told that it wasn't a "half a$$ed" fix, it's the way the Chinese want it. They talked with ALL MD-11 operators and NOBODY but us had a problem with the procedure. That's World, EVA, Lufthansa, UPS and anybody else that drives one of these in China. So, if YOU have a better idea, submit it...I am pretty sure that if it's reasonable and works, they'll look at it. Would you rather tool along below FL290 on L-888 cuz you don't want to play the Chinese game? Better break out "into thin air" and read aloud, you may need the survival techniques. Or perhaps you would just opt to have FedEx pull out of China all together...yeah, that makes sense.
Instead of griping...submit your ideas. Not one message in here offered any options to fix the problem that the CHINESE are mandating on all operators in their airspace.
IMO.....
10-19-2007, 09:04 AM
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They talked with ALL MD-11 operators and NOBODY but us had a problem with the procedure.
Let's see... we've got this neat button on our glareshield that makes this problem go away and increases our safety margin by about a thousand percent. But we can't use it because other aircraft don't have it.
Maybe we should turn off our EGPWS or predictive windshear equipment too....
What about this solution: we toggle over to meters and tell the Chinese to get out of our cockpits. Otherwise this is only the beginning. Wait till they find out we occasionally hand-fly approaches.
Can you imagine us changing our cockpit procedures to this extent for American ATC?
10-19-2007, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Huck
I'd bet you an order of halibut chunks that's not true.....
Let's see... we've got this neat button on our glareshield that makes this problem go away and increases our safety margin by about a thousand percent. But we can't use it because other aircraft don't have it.
Maybe we should turn off our EGPWS or predictive windshear equipment too....
What about this solution: we toggle over to meters and tell the Chinese to get out of our cockpits. Otherwise this is only the beginning. Wait till they find out we occasionally hand-fly approaches.
Can you imagine us changing our cockpit procedures to this extent for American ATC?
Let's see... we've got this neat button on our glareshield that makes this problem go away and increases our safety margin by about a thousand percent. But we can't use it because other aircraft don't have it.
Maybe we should turn off our EGPWS or predictive windshear equipment too....
What about this solution: we toggle over to meters and tell the Chinese to get out of our cockpits. Otherwise this is only the beginning. Wait till they find out we occasionally hand-fly approaches.
Can you imagine us changing our cockpit procedures to this extent for American ATC?
WIN OR LOSE......Boy do I love those halibut chunks at F-Street!
10-19-2007, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler
I wish I'd kept my old Jepp "salmon pages" for feet/meter corrections.
This whole thing sounds like it was designed by someone who's never been west of Denver! I too am not lookin' forward to reading all of those safety reports.
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This whole thing sounds like it was designed by someone who's never been west of Denver! I too am not lookin' forward to reading all of those safety reports.fbh
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