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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
(Post 251326)
I talked to a 727 Capt LCA currently getting widebody passover the other night. He told me that he's been told that the B727 CAP LCAs that go to the B757 in MEM will be passover protected for 2.5 yrs, at which time if they decide to stay on the B757 they will revert to B757 pay. He also said the plan is that LCAs would DH over to Europe and do LCs for 2 wks then DH back. Looks more like SIBA than STV, as we've been told the intent was, if you ask me!
Originally Posted by 2cylinderdriver
(Post 251389)
I can't see this being legal under the CBA either, in order for the current 727 CA's to be receiving passover they had to bid and hold a widebody seat. Then they are put at the end of the training cycle, until they or the Company decides it is time for them to leave. In the case of the 757, they have to BID it, so in theory, they would be vacating their current widebody award, have to train on the 757 and then re-bid the widebody on another bid to be put back in passover status. The same thing should apply to any current widebody CA that downbids in my opinion.
I think I will run this up the flag pole at ALPA and see if it has been discussed. Come on, how can you expect the company to fill the FDAs with a crappy LOA if you wont let them make shady side deals. |
Originally Posted by md11phlyer
(Post 251348)
Not jumping all over anybody (except for pro LOA guys).
Just making light of the practice bid and it's infinite silliness. |
Originally Posted by 2cylinderdriver
(Post 251389)
I can't see this being legal under the CBA either, in order for the current 727 CA's to be receiving passover they had to bid and hold a widebody seat. Then they are put at the end of the training cycle, until they or the Company decides it is time for them to leave. In the case of the 757, they have to BID it, so in theory, they would be vacating their current widebody award, have to train on the 757 and then re-bid the widebody on another bid to be put back in passover status. The same thing should apply to any current widebody CA that downbids in my opinion.
I think I will run this up the flag pole at ALPA and see if it has been discussed. Company - "Shove this POS LOA down the crewforces throat and we will gaurantee passover pay for the senior guys bidding the 757" MEC - "Make the 777 pay the same as the 380 and you got a deal" |
Originally Posted by MaxKts
(Post 251437)
It was probably the discussion that went like this:
Company - "Shove this POS LOA down the crewforces throat and we will gaurantee passover pay for the senior guys bidding the 757" MEC - "Make the 777 pay the same as the 380 and you got a deal" BINGO!!! We have a winner!!!! |
Just for grins, here's something I'd like to see some info on when the dust clears on this bid:
How many of those HKG FO's were Economics majors? |
USA Today and the Wall Street Journal said yesterday that after the G7 meeting the "US dollar is set to plumb new lows against the Euro." It's currently at $1.43 and will continue down. I won't be surprised to see $1.46 or higher. Add your banking fees and you are easily at $1.50. Look at the Canadian Dollar, it is currently more valuable than the US dollar. It wasn't that long ago that $1 US bought $1.50 Canadain. Our dollar has even lost over 10% to the Phillipeno Peso. Now that is bad!! Your $2700 stipend has already lost over $200 per month in exchange rate and we aren't even there yet! And don't forget the landlord will be raising the rent anually also. Don't you love flat rate compensation not tied to the local currency or with a COLA? The 32 percenters had 100% of the knowledge when they voted..........what did the 68% have? :confused:
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Originally Posted by machz990
(Post 251594)
The 32 percenters had 100% of the knowledge when they voted..........what did the 68% have? :confused:
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
(Post 251600)
They had the knowledge that the company could have and would have opened these FDAs anyway without an LOA. The further knowledge that 100% of the CAP slots would have been filled and some if not most FO slots would have been filled. (the Practice bid seems to prove this fact)
Furthermore, the LOA is more restricitive (read: less advantageous) in many situations depending on your domicile. Example: My Aussie buds were not overly impressed with the $2700 allowance, but assured me that it would be ample considering that I would clean up on taxes in HKG. "Oh contraire" says the tax equalization. Anyhow we can beat the dead horse, which as you may notice I truly enjoy, but it's not going to change the shortcomings in the LOA. It also won't change the fact that the MEC has created two opposing sides. One one side is management and the MEC and the other side is us: the unrepresented pilot group. |
Originally Posted by Lippy
(Post 251613)
I'm sorry all your prom dresses got ruined in the vote. But it's time to ****, and put this to bed already! Take a pamprin fer cryin out loud.
Maybe a MIDOL is more appropriate! Must say I agree. Things must not be too bad when the stuff we cry about gets to such a high warble..... |
Originally Posted by Lippy
(Post 251613)
I'm sorry all your prom dresses got ruined in the vote. But it's time to ****, and put this to bed already! Take a pamprin fer cryin out loud.
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