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12-12-2007 | 07:31 PM
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From: Leftof longitudinal
Floater,
Are you serious? Was it a surprise to you when you got the job? Did you not know what the pay was when you applied? I am with you on the pay....NO ONE wants to start off working for first year pay at almost any airline. That is just the way it is. I saved for years and no vacation for my family this year. It sucks, but it is what it is. Dropping "Voluntary" military leave so you dont have to deal with first year pay is abusing the system. It hurts everyone. USERRA was established to protect service members from being treated unfairly.
I try my best to not drop any trips and bid according to my reserve obligation. Sometimes I get lucky and dont have to drop anything but sometimes I don't. This is a hot topic and people look at it differently. It is open to interpretation, but I still think if you drop mil leave after you are finished consolidating you are abusing a system. Hurting not just other reservists but the people you fly the line with. Ask yourself how many people drop mil leave the day they start 2nd year pay? Probably none......because it is a pay cut. If an interviewer "could" ask you "do you plan on dropping mil leave during probation?" that you would get the job? I would say NO....but they can't ask that(nor should they be able to).
Are you serious? Was it a surprise to you when you got the job? Did you not know what the pay was when you applied? I am with you on the pay....NO ONE wants to start off working for first year pay at almost any airline. That is just the way it is. I saved for years and no vacation for my family this year. It sucks, but it is what it is. Dropping "Voluntary" military leave so you dont have to deal with first year pay is abusing the system. It hurts everyone. USERRA was established to protect service members from being treated unfairly.
I try my best to not drop any trips and bid according to my reserve obligation. Sometimes I get lucky and dont have to drop anything but sometimes I don't. This is a hot topic and people look at it differently. It is open to interpretation, but I still think if you drop mil leave after you are finished consolidating you are abusing a system. Hurting not just other reservists but the people you fly the line with. Ask yourself how many people drop mil leave the day they start 2nd year pay? Probably none......because it is a pay cut. If an interviewer "could" ask you "do you plan on dropping mil leave during probation?" that you would get the job? I would say NO....but they can't ask that(nor should they be able to).
Lots of folks drop MIL in year 2. I drop in year 13 and I lose coin with UPS, so be it. I have military obligations and cannot control all elements of my military requirements.
Most flyers are putting in more than 8-10+ days per month in the unit. When I had my change of command, we desired 12 days average per month per aviator. So, if you have been out of the squadron for 4-5 months in initial training with an airline and consolidating, (and units accept this, but other's have to pick up the mission). This absence means you are at a deficit in the unit of at least 16-20 IDT's, Plus AFTP's (as much as 30-40+) and several days ADT/AT etc. The squadron needs you to be qualified as well, aircraft availability, etc. etc, means some need to go pay the piper at the unit immediately after consolidation. It is not abuse. It may be more cost effective for the taxpayer to prevent an escalating requalifying cost to the unit or maintain readiness rates. UPS is beginning to understand that GWOT is a huge burden on the all volunteer force and that even if the member would lose money going to drill, most would still dissappear.
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