UPS-IPA talks fail
 

(snipped)

The negotiations this week ultimately failed because United Parcel
Service remains unwilling to recognize the contribution of this pilot
group to the success of the operation. It is our belief that a 30 day
cooling off period will clarify the thinking of all parties. Now, more
than ever, is the time for absolute and total unity among the pilot
group. Divided we cannot win--united we cannot fail. We will remain
united and we will win--let there be no doubt.

Ups Talks
 

They "failed" due to the greed of the pilots

Oh TRIPE !! What a sack of horse manure!

They failed because management has NEVER negotiated in GOOD FAITH -and THEY are the greedy ones!

The pilots are a significant cog in allowing the corporation to earn MASSIVE amounts of profit and they DESERVE to earn a fair wage, benefits and to have work rules befitting their contribution to the bottom line.

UPS pilots to seek release from mediation
Thu Dec 22, 2005 05:45 PM ET
CHICAGO, Dec 22 (Reuters) - The union representing pilots at United Parcel Service (UPS.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Thursday that it will request release from mediation with UPS after 38 months of talks.

UPS and the Independent Pilots Association, which represents the company's 2,700 pilots, held four days of talks ending Thursday afternoon in Green Bay, Wisconsin, on finalizing a contract dispute that began in October 2002.

The talks in Green Bay were overseen by the National Mediation Board, an independent government agency.

The IPA warned in advance that if UPS did not reach a deal by Dec. 23, the association would seek release from mediation.

"This is not a step we take lightly," said Captain Tom Nicholson, the IPA's president, in a statement.

Nicholson said that the talks had failed due to a lack of agreement over $40 million.

"UPS has made the decision to risk our customers' business and its investors' money," he said.

Unresolved contract issues include health-care premiums, pensions and the pace of wage increases. The union has also cited the possible use of overseas pilots as a concern.

The IPA said that if released from mediation this would result in a 30-day countdown to a strike or lockout at UPS.

The shipping company handles an average of 14 million packages a day and if a strike actually occurred analysts have said the result would be chaos.

UPS spokesman Mark Giuffre said the company had no indication from the NMB mediator that "either party would be released from mediation."

"We feel that progress was made during the talks and we are waiting for feedback from the mediator," he said.

Giuffre added that the IPA's statement was a fresh attempt "to stir up concern among customers that services would be disrupted."

"There will be no disruption of service," he said.

UPS has said its pilots' wages and benefits are among the best in the industry.

The average UPS pilot receives a gross salary of $175,000, while captains receive an average of $223,000, Giuffre said.

"We have offered a contract that includes increases on every front from wages, to benefits, scheduling and pensions," he said.

"We feel it's a generous offer and we look forward to hearing the response of the IPA," he said.


© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.

Fred Smith was asked years ago if he worried about competitor UPS. He responded that he'll start worrying about UPS when they start treating their employees better. Guess things aren't about to change anytime too soon.

IPA Talks
 

The typical airline pilot (cargo included) is so out of touch with reality that it is ridiculous.

Don't you think that UPS has been planning for a strike by the IPA for years?

Believe it, if there is a strike, it will be the end of the IPA. The company will not give in past a certain point. If the IPA strikes, there are plenty of replacements out there and many, many IPA pilots will cross the picket lines within 10-14 days. Also, the Teamsters will cheer you on but will not stay out very long.

Don't take the risk----you will regret it!!

Eight, it sounds to me like you have pilot envy. Besides writing at the level of an eighth grader :)

I don't have pilot envy because I am one. I have the best job in the world: I can fly, make more money than you do, and I can give you guys check rides!

isn't this the same nimrod scab that posted under another name?

Shouldn't you be busy on the Chemtrails websites?



:rolleyes:



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Giuffre added that the IPA's statement was a fresh attempt "to stir up concern among customers that services would be disrupted." "There will be no disruption of service," he said.

Not this was ever much of a concern, but I'm glad to hear UPS will finally agree to what the pilots deserve. It is unfortunate that they've pushed the IPA into a corner and will force them into a cooling off period. UPS, being publicly traded on the stock market, can't risk a strike now and everyone knows it. However, they will probably wait until the 11th hour to sign in an attempt to make the IPA out to be the bad guys, and also try to drive a wedge between IPA and the other unions at UPS. Nice try, but the IPA will win.

ATEMENOUT1: I really don't think you're a management pilot, or a pilot at all for that matter. Most likely UPS management, perhaps even labor, but you couldn't possibly be that naive and still hold an ATP. However, I would like to extend a sincere "thank you" for showing those outside of our company what we see on a daily basis; for showing us the true face of UPS leadership and character. The reason I mentioned labor is because they are good at what they do......and this is what they do!

Sasquatch,

I wouldn't throw stones at glass houses if I were you. I don't recall UPS ground drivers filing class action lawsuits against them. I seem to see posted on this board as well about Fed Ex negotiations not going so well either. When Fred can make as much profit and deliver as much as UPS then he could make comments like this. Until then maybe he should treat his employees a lil better!

Eightmenout1,

Just reading your post tells me either you are just stupid or you are not a manglement pilot.
Why??
Because every manglement pilot at UPS knows that whatever we get you guys will get the same or better.

That is the reason you don't see them over here bad mouthing the IPA and what we are asking for in our contract.

Like others have said, "Pilot Envy".

Hurts doesn't it!!!!!

Sure sounds like a SCAB . . .prattling on selfishly . . to me!! A despicable PUKE, to be shunned!! Not someone worthy to share the sky with!

If "atemenout1" really is a pilot, let him prove it. Next time you see him online, ask him some aviation questions. Questions that any check airman should be able to answer off the top of his head. If he can answer these "live" questions (i.e. without logging off), he may have some credibility here, although not much.

Personally, I've never met a line or mgmt pilot who speaks or writes like this turd.

Before you come out in public to display your utter ignorance in front of God everyone, you OUGHT to brush up on your facts and have some command of them, dickweed!

You are OBVIOUSLY not aware that the drivers in question ARE/WERE not “employees” . .BUT “independent contractors” who own their own rigs and work on 'contract’.

But, you apparently are so dumb that you wouldn’t know the difference, eh?

This riff between a large portion of the former RPS drivers and FedEx is prominent, you're right. But it's an issue of classification- employee or contractor?- and not of decent human treatment.

I have never met a UPS driver who spoke well of his superiors. In fact, I have never met a pilot who spoke well of his managers, either. There are some good individuals, but I am told they're stopped from making a difference by the large cogs that exist in your corporate culture.

UPS has a reputation as being militant, stubborn, and inflexible when dealing with its employees. Where did this come from? It wasn't pulled out of thin air.

Furthermore, is it a coincidence that UPS is heavily unionized and we are not?

You, soyathink, are the perfect embodiment of what a UPS manager is about. Look at your tone in your posts.

Thanks for the clear example for others to see, too.

Aviation Questions
 

Bring on the aviation questions. I will answer them with "flying colors".

Aviation Questions
 

As I said, bring on the aviation questions. I will answer them with flying colors.

Drew, Do you stay awake in your 208 Caravan thinking of these great quotes of yours? "dickweed" thats good, I bet that took you all night to think of that one. Your right they are contractors for Fed Ex whom Fed Ex has been treating or shall I say managing like employees. That is why they are suing but " you apparently are so dumb that you wouldn't know the difference eh?" Wasn't it you that said management at Fed Ex wasn't negotiating in good faith?

If Fed Ex is so great then why do you have a pilots union? Please elaborate on the last negotiations you had. Didn't Fred threaten to replace the pilots if they walked? Didn't he have Atlas lined up to fly if you walked? Now tell me why would the "contractors" sue if things were so good? I know if I had a good thing going I don't think I would have a class action suit going on. I also know a number of Ex UPS managers now at Fed Ex. That wasn't pulled out of thin air. I really love how it takes 3 Fed Ex drivers to deliver to one location 4 if you count Fed Ex @ home. It takes 1 UPS driver. I love how much UPS drivers make compared to Fed Ex drivers and look at profit margin taken in by UPS compared to Fed Ex. But you know so much more don't you? I love how some come here and know everything thats why they are posting to message boards and not running the company.

"If Fed Ex is so great then why do you have a pilots union?"
In case UPS managers come over to mangle FredEx.
" Didn't he have Atlas lined up to fly if you walked?" Nice... Let me guess 30 or so 747s and 500 crew members will cover the daily load of 5000 pilots and 600+ aircraft. Math not your strong suit?
"I also know a number of Ex UPS managers now at Fed Ex." Know any ex FedEx managers at UPS? Me neither! Because......?

Remember, NWA did it with 800 replacements for the 4000 scum bags that went on strike. UPS can also replace its scum bag IPA pilots with far less than 2700.

Isn't it amazing how UPS can do it with half the planes and pilots? Why because we are able to move alot of it via ground instead of air. Do you think Fred could do that if the pilots walked? Yes. The reason why he doesn't because of the separation between the ground and express. All Atlas would have to do is hub to hub and other contractors and trucks could move to the spokes.

The reason you don't see Fed Ex managers at UPS is because they are probably not good enough.

Ok, that's about the dumbest crap I've seen on this website. I got a job offer from UPS but turned it down for FedEx. I think both companies are the envy of most in the industry, apart from SWA & CAL. Why lower yourself by making comments like the above? You sound a kid on a playground.. "oh yeah my dad can beat your dad up..." You only make UPS managers sound like bigger jerks than their reputation already carries. What's sad is there are some pretty good UPS managers that I know and your comments only "blacken" the stigma of all your managers.

That might work domestically for about 2 weeks, until the manglers all time out, but you can't move international volume by truck. And that's where all the profit is for UPS. In 97, the Teamster strike ended about 1 week too early in my opinion, because Atlanta never got to feel the pain of having no way to move their intl volume as the manglers were about 3 days from their FAA max time for the 30 day period. Merry Christmas to all!

Eightmenout1

Now we know your not a pilot! first, for UPS to replace even half of the 2700 IPA members would take months at best. Your probably a ground guy who thinks flying a Jet is like driving a truck, just sit down, start the engines and drive! It doesn't work that way! Also If you were a check Airmen you would understand this point implicitly! I just spent 5 months learning a new jet. You do seem to write like a person with a limited education/vocabulary and therefore you are "out of your league" on this forum. Irregardless, I do wish you a merry Christmas spend some time with your family and let the real pilots worry about our issues.
Vito

Its great reading the garbage the UPS Mgt suck-ups put on this forum. I guess they get payed to spread this BS because it (they??) couldn't fly anywhere else:p ;)

I wonder what will happen to all of you SCUMBAG managers when you finally join our seniority list. Don't ever say it's can't happen. Can you say the word "STAPLE".
Answer this one question as quicly as possible to see if you really know anything about the inside of big brown. Who's airlines certificate did we buy back in 1986 to start our own airline? Better answer quickly.

Cheers

Ipxa
 

We Were Known As International Parcel Express (ipxa) And Still Retain That Certificate Name. We Shared It With Dhl And Bought It Out In Early 1988.

Next Question, Please

Seniority List
 

You know very well that all of the "scum bag" managers would get date of hire seniority and seat protection. So it would not matter.

[QUOTE=EIGHTMENOUT1]We Were Known As International Parcel Express (ipxa) And Still Retain That Certificate Name. We Shared It With Dhl And Bought It Out In Early 1988.

Good job. That was easy. Should I make it a bit harder?

I believe the word "STAPLE" would better apply than date of hire.

Identity Crisis
 

From a different thread:

I'm just a stupid hourly worker, but at least I learned when to use capital letters and when not to.

What User Name/Identity will you use next?

Merry Christmas to all!

To Heavyjetpilot
 

Yes,

Make the next question harder!!

i have a question 8:
(multiple choice)

which is more important to you (A) getting on message boards and trying to convince others (to the point of immature and childish remarks) that your point of view is correct or (B) spending time with your spouse and or children.

think about its a tough one. follow up question: when it is all said and done and you start your retirement which will you wish you spent more time doing: answer (A) or answer (B).

sue

The NMB refused to release the IPA from negotiations today.

And your point is? Like I said before, and you avoided, UPS can hide behind the RLA all they want. The IPA can go in and a request release everyweek. The NMB can denied it everytime. But the fact remains, THE IPA WILL NOT GO AWAY!!!! We will get what we are asking for, nothing less. How do you deal with that EIGHTMENOUT1?

A LINE SLUG!

Again, UPS is hiding behind the RLA!

This intern puke has already been rated out by a fellow IPA'er. As I stated in an earlier post I had a good idea who he was and it's been confirmed. No reason to even discuss matters with him. If anyone else wants to discuss matters at hand with some relevance to the end game then feel free to bring it on.
Cheers

No Release
 

I am not the intern!! Guess again!! If the IPA ever does get released, or the mediator declares an impasse, and releases both parties and a strike occurs, the IPA will go away for good. That would be good riddance!

Alright bigmouth lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Are you ready for a simple question that any long timer should be able to answer with any knowledge of things going on around UPS? You will need to answer quickly.
Are you ready? It's real easy