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12-29-2007 | 07:43 PM
#21
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From: 777 Multi-tasker
bumping junior guys?
200 seats seems to be the number that has been floating around......not exact obviously. If you excess a S/O that can hold MD-11 Captain, correct me if I am wrong, he displaces the junior MD-11 Captain if the company deems that junior MD Cpt as a newly generated excess. The "bumpees" go where they can hold a seat, thus bumping out the junior folks and on and on till the break of dawn.......as the song goes.
12-29-2007 | 08:55 PM
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Can you imagine how many training cycles that would create... right now there will be no 11 Capt seats opening on any bid that comes out... so no one is getting bumped... in HKG and CDG maybe a few on the 757 and 300.. that leaves the right seat for the ND's to go to at the FDA's, it's a foot back in the front seat.. and they dont' have to plumb or Horror of Horrors... retire.
12-29-2007 | 09:03 PM
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From: MD11 CPT
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Jeeeze you guys are dense...
But he WILL learn to drive trucks on two day products that NOW fly on airframes DOMESTICALLY. UPS didn't used to either, but optimized their trucking network which dwarfs and outperforms yours...for now. The cost to move by truck and rail is a fraction of air, but you already knew that. And Fred has to make up his IRS losses somehow. Wakeup call sport, Fred is more interested in making money than keeping you airborne. As for China, have a look at your "scope" clause...
Oddly enough, this isn't even the end of it. As I said (to much scolding of the apparent kool-aid drinkers) when Fred learns to drive long haul trucks and use rail as efficiently as UPS it will have as great or greater impact than age 65. quote]
Hard to drive a truck from China
Hard to drive a truck from China
But he WILL learn to drive trucks on two day products that NOW fly on airframes DOMESTICALLY. UPS didn't used to either, but optimized their trucking network which dwarfs and outperforms yours...for now. The cost to move by truck and rail is a fraction of air, but you already knew that. And Fred has to make up his IRS losses somehow. Wakeup call sport, Fred is more interested in making money than keeping you airborne. As for China, have a look at your "scope" clause...
12-30-2007 | 04:07 AM
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If they excess off the 727 and -10, the "should haves" will be able to take over whatever seat their seniority will hold. Yes, some will be filling the already fat Capt seats. The answer to me is don't excess yet and let them sit in the S/O seat for $100 less an hour. If we're fat in all the seats, no sense in paying them more to do it!
And now he, along with our local union, would be for abrogating those rights in such a manner? Even with overwhelming membership support?
12-30-2007 | 02:19 PM
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Folks, this DOESN'T MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE! Consider this:
1. We are FAT, MOSTLY in the S/O seats (727)/(DC-10)
2. Current rates are $123.91 for the 72 or $140.90 for the 10
3. If the company opens those 200 seats up to the over 60 crowd, they all go to $231.65/hr. (at least a $90 pay increase per hour!)
4. The folks they bump out are all around $220/hr ($12/hr difference)
5. Those folks will most likely populate narrowbody Captain spots at $195/hr. ($25/hr paycut - BUT $55 MORE PER HOUR THAN THEY ARE PAYING THE OVER 60 CROWD TO STAY PUT.
To me it makes NO SENSE to do this. What they SHOULD do is NOT open a bid for then next 2 year till the 777 shows up. Then they purge a bunch of the 200 or so that will be over 63 that are in the back now. Negotiate a side-letter that disallows the migration from 60yrs old to a S/O seat where a vacancy doesn't exist (can't believe they have allowed this to happen this long as it is).
In the end, the company would save MILLIONS on pay and training in just the next two years.
1. We are FAT, MOSTLY in the S/O seats (727)/(DC-10)
2. Current rates are $123.91 for the 72 or $140.90 for the 10
3. If the company opens those 200 seats up to the over 60 crowd, they all go to $231.65/hr. (at least a $90 pay increase per hour!)
4. The folks they bump out are all around $220/hr ($12/hr difference)
5. Those folks will most likely populate narrowbody Captain spots at $195/hr. ($25/hr paycut - BUT $55 MORE PER HOUR THAN THEY ARE PAYING THE OVER 60 CROWD TO STAY PUT.
To me it makes NO SENSE to do this. What they SHOULD do is NOT open a bid for then next 2 year till the 777 shows up. Then they purge a bunch of the 200 or so that will be over 63 that are in the back now. Negotiate a side-letter that disallows the migration from 60yrs old to a S/O seat where a vacancy doesn't exist (can't believe they have allowed this to happen this long as it is).
In the end, the company would save MILLIONS on pay and training in just the next two years.
12-30-2007 | 02:49 PM
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It will be for CDG and HKG to see if anyone under the age of 60 reconsiders.
12-30-2007 | 02:54 PM
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From: 777 Multi-tasker
That's my prediction too. Open up a bid with the only vacancies to the front seats being CDG adn HKG. How many guys will jump on that to get back up front? Will they incur a training freeze for the bid that follows or will they just bid to the new vacancies? Big question for a lot of us is when will there be another 11 Capt vacancy?
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