FDX - ETP's and ETOPS
01-27-2008, 04:25 AM
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FDX - ETP's and ETOPS
Anyone else confused by Gasko's latest letter? Last time I checked ETOPS stood for Extended-range Twin-Engine Operational Performance Standards. He says that it stands for Extended Range Operations.
ETOPS allows operators of twins like the new 777 to fly at a distance of greater than 60 minutes from an emergency or diversion airport and some planes like the 777 can go up to 180 minutes. So why are our requirements of an ETP changing on our 3 engine jet as a result of us getting the 777?
ETOPS allows operators of twins like the new 777 to fly at a distance of greater than 60 minutes from an emergency or diversion airport and some planes like the 777 can go up to 180 minutes. So why are our requirements of an ETP changing on our 3 engine jet as a result of us getting the 777?
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01-27-2008, 05:21 AM
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I didn't see the letter, but I recall a discussion that centered around having to change from a supplemental carrier to a flag carrier in order to operate the 777 on the longest routes. Look at the relevant FARs and see if that is what the change is about.
01-27-2008, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by boost
Anyone else confused by Gasko's latest letter? Last time I checked ETOPS stood for Extended-range Twin-Engine Operational Performance Standards. He says that it stands for Extended Range Operations. What???
ETOPS allows operators of twins like the new 777 to fly at a distance of greater than 60 minutes from an emergency or diversion airport and some planes like the 777 can go up to 180 minutes. So why are our requirements of an ETP changing on our 3 engine jet as a result of us getting the 777?
ETOPS allows operators of twins like the new 777 to fly at a distance of greater than 60 minutes from an emergency or diversion airport and some planes like the 777 can go up to 180 minutes. So why are our requirements of an ETP changing on our 3 engine jet as a result of us getting the 777?
01-27-2008, 08:31 AM
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Last year new FAR 121.646 was enacted. After a one year delayed compliance clause, the regulation now covers 3 or more engine A/C that are more than 180 min. from a suitable en-route alternate.
Now that A/C with 3 or more engines are included, the term has been changed to "Extended Range Operations".
All this is buried in FAA InFo# 07004 dated 1-26-07
Now that A/C with 3 or more engines are included, the term has been changed to "Extended Range Operations".
All this is buried in FAA InFo# 07004 dated 1-26-07
01-27-2008, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Rubberband
Last year new FAR 121.646 was enacted. After a one year delayed compliance clause, the regulation now covers 3 or more engine A/C that are more than 180 min. from a suitable en-route alternate.
Now that A/C with 3 or more engines are included, the term has been changed to "Extended Range Operations".
All this is buried in FAA InFo# 07004 dated 1-26-07
Now that A/C with 3 or more engines are included, the term has been changed to "Extended Range Operations".
All this is buried in FAA InFo# 07004 dated 1-26-07
Is that the FAA's knee-jerk response to the BA747 engine failure out of LAX?
01-27-2008, 10:51 AM
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I'm not a Purple People Eater (I've got lots of time to read stuff since KH shut down) but FAR 1 says ETOPS is only for twins and 3 and 4 engine PAX operations. There's some good stuff there, required SATCOMM, fire suppression 15 minutes longer than your longest engine out diversion, fuel for an engine out, depressurized diversion, tri and quad maintenance performed to ETOPS standards, ETOPS alternate weather mins. But both the regs and Boeing's Aero magazine say it's PAX only for 3 and 4 motors.
01-27-2008, 03:31 PM
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My question, and sometimes I'm slow so I may just be missing it.
Currently when we get an ETP they give us the weather at our "suitable" alternate. Now, with no ETP assigned, we get no weather. Now for the question. If we don't need an ETP because UHPP is within 90 minutes flying time and is therefore considered a suitable airfield, what happens when there is a raging blizzard and the field is shut down? Same for Shemya, Adak, and all the other suitable fields. I can easily imagine a scenario where a lot of those 90 minute airfields are below mins. Heck, it's even snowing in Shanghai now.
Currently when we get an ETP they give us the weather at our "suitable" alternate. Now, with no ETP assigned, we get no weather. Now for the question. If we don't need an ETP because UHPP is within 90 minutes flying time and is therefore considered a suitable airfield, what happens when there is a raging blizzard and the field is shut down? Same for Shemya, Adak, and all the other suitable fields. I can easily imagine a scenario where a lot of those 90 minute airfields are below mins. Heck, it's even snowing in Shanghai now.
