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Old 02-01-2008, 03:38 PM
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Very interesting reading and stuff that we can all learn from! The format has new developments at the top so if you are not familiar with the basics you might want to read the bottom part first.
Thank goodness it looks like the investigation is focusing on mechanical and not pilot error. What would you do in your widebody after a long flight and now at 500' with no thrust response? Hopefully we would all do as well as these guys did!

Federal Aviation
Date: January 24, 2008
From: Manager, Seattle Aircraft Certification Office (ACO), ANM-100S and Manager, Engine Certification Office, ANE-140
To: Manager, Transport Airplane Directorate, ANM-100 and Manager, Engine and Propeller Directorate, ANE-100
Prepared by: Doug Pegors, Seattle ACO, ANM-102S
INFORMATION: British Airways Flight 38, Boeing 777 Accident, London,

New Information as of January 24, 2008:

Internal inspections of the fuel tanks were started today. The only anomalies were a loose B-nut on a sensor line for the fuel scavenge system and a plastic scrapper near a suction feed port.
These findings are not significant. Fuel sample analysis continues to show the fuel is within specification. The investigation continues to look broadly for a cause of the dual engine rollbacks. Fuel exhaustion is the only item that has been positively ruled out. Aspects that the FAA believes the investigation is concentrating on are:

Ice in the fuel somehow limiting the fuel flow to the engines. A maintenance message indicating excessive water in the center tank was set during taxi on the two previous flight legs, although it cleared itself both times. The airplane was being operated in a high humidity, cold environment, conducive to ice formation.

Small-sized contamination building up in the engine fuel systems somehow limited the fuel flow to engine. All the fuel samples have tested for contamination of larger particles (sizes outside the fuel specification). Testing has been started looking for small particles (greater than 5 microns).

Engine hardware failures sending inaccurate data to the engine electronic control (EEC) causing the EEC to demand insufficient fuel. A preliminary review of the EEC data from the right engine shows erratic combustor inlet pressure (P30). A leaking P30 sense line could cause this, or the EEC receiving a higher than actual fuel flow

Software coding problem in the EEC causing the EEC to demand insufficient fuel.
British Airways installed a new engine EEC software revision in December 2007. The software was approved in May 2006. There were several changes to the software as part of the revision. Two items seem remotely related to the accident: improvements to low power stall recovery logic and fan keep out zones for ground maintenance.

The first two items would be related to a part 25 compliance issue, while the last two itemswould be related to a part 33 compliance issue.
As stated yesterday in this briefing paper, the electrical system anomalies noted earlier have been resolved, as describe below, and the conclusion now is that the electrical buses were powered until impact and performing as expected.

• The auxiliary power unit (APU) began its auto start sequence, even though the buses were still powered. In the days following the event, the flight crew has added additional details to their report. The crew now believes they turned the APU on prior to impact. There was sufficient time before the impact for the APU inlet door to open, but not for the APU fuel pump to turn on or the APU engine to start spooling up.

• The quick access recorder (QAR) saved data and shut down approximately 45 seconds prior to impact. The QAR saves data in batches. It is believed the QAR was working properly and was in the process of saving data when impact occurred, accounting for the “lost” 45 seconds of data.

• The fuel crossfeed valves were closed in flight according to the flight crew, but the switches were found in the open position and only one valve was open. In the days following the event, the flight crew has added additional details to their report. The crew now believes they opened the valves just prior to impact and the airplane lost power before both valves moved to the open position.

• The ram air turbine (RAT) was found deployed, even though the buses were still powered. It did not deploy until after the airplane came to a stop, as determined by the pristine condition of the turbine blades. The RAT either deployed due to electrical power loss during impact with a failed air/ground signal or the impact unlatched the RAT door.

New Information as of January 23, 2008:

Ms. McCormick has finished her review of the crashworthiness of the airplane and is coming home tomorrow. Gary Horan, an engine controls expert from the Engine and Propeller Directorate, is going to London tomorrow at the NTSB’s request. Boeing has drafted a message to all operators of the 777 airplanes, and is still waiting for approval from the Air Accident Investigation Branch of the United Kingdom to send it out.

Electrical system: The electrical system anomalies noted earlier have been resolved, and the conclusion now is that the electrical buses were powered until impact and performing as expected.

Fuel system: Leads regarding water in the fuel and fuel contamination are continuing to be investigated. Fuel testing looking for small-sized contaminants (5 microns) is beginning. The tanks are still being drained and the team hopes to start evaluating the fuel system hardware tomorrow.

Engines: Component testing and teardown of the engine-driven fuel pumps and the fuel metering units is planned for later this week. The data from the electronic engine controls is still being analyzed. Rolls-Royce is planning an engine test, unscheduled as yet, to try and duplicate the rollbacks.

New Information as of January 22, 2008:

The airplane has been moved to a hanger, and the team is now working near the airplane.

Fuel system: The post crash fuel leak came from the right engine; the main tanks were intact. There was a message of water in the center fuel tank shortly after departure from Beijing. The fuel was being drained from the tanks today. Hardware analysis should begin tomorrow.

Engines: A preliminary review of electronic engine control data from the right engine shows parameters indicating impending engine stall. It has not been determined yet if these items indicate a fuel system or engine stability issue. Data from the left engine has not yet been reviewed.

Crashworthiness: Ms. McCormick is documenting the condition of the cabin. Information from cabin crew and passenger questionnaires indicate that the evacuation bell was faint, but the evacuation light was seen and the captain’s message to evacuate over the passenger address system was heard. Preliminary data indicates that the descent rate at impact was roughly 30 ft/sec. Dynamic seat requirements that became effective at the introduction of the Model 777
series airplanes require seats protect occupants for hard landing impact up to 35 ft/sec. The passenger with the broken leg was sitting next to the point where the right main landing gear punctured the fuselage and pushed into the cabin.
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New Information as of January 19, 2008:
Ms. Langsted spent the day at the airplane. Ms. McCormick reviewed the crew interview reports. The airplane has not been moved from the runway yet. The airplane is considered a hull loss.

Crashworthiness: There was only one serious injury, a compound fracture to the leg. The airplane landed on the main gear, bounced, came back down on the gear, then the gear failed, and the engines supported weight of the airplane. The descent rate at landing was 1500-1800 feet per minute. One of the main landing gear swung around and pushed slightly into the cabin. The other punctured the center fuel tank (empty) leaving a 1-by-2-foot hole. The report of a fuel leak is unconfirmed. All the slides deployed and the doors worked. Some passengers had to shuffle down the slides due to the slight angle. The flight deck door opened on its own during the landing. Some oxygen masks dropped.

Engines: No indication as yet of why engines rolled back. They ingested grass and dirt during the landing. One engine had recently had the electronic engine control (EEC) replaced due to indicated faults. The EECs have been removed from the engine to have the memory read.

Fuel system: No indication as yet that the fuel system was not providing fuel to the engines. Center fuel tank was empty, and the main fuel tanks had a quantity of fuel in the tons. The spar valves were open until the pilots pulled the fire handle just prior to evacuating the airplane (normal). The fuel crossfeed valves were closed in flight (normal) according to the flight crew, but the switches were found in the open position and only one valve was open. All fuel boost pumps were on and indicating high pressure (normal). The engine fuel filters have been
removed for analysis. Several fuel samples from this airplane and other airplanes coming in from Beijing have been analyzed with no significant findings. The fuel temperature indicated in flight was as low as -34 degrees Celsius, although its proper functioning is being questioned.

Electrical System: Although the electrical buses seemed to have been powered through the landing, there were several electrical anomalies close in time with the engine rollbacks. The auxiliary power unit began its auto start sequence, and the quick access recorder saved data and shut down. There were also the unexpected fuel valve positions mentioned earlier. The flight data recorder was powered through the landing.

New Information as of January 18, 2008:

Sue McCormick and Margaret Langsted arrived at Heathrow in the afternoon London time and met with Bill English (NTSB), Carol Horgan (NTSB), Steve Magladry (NTSB), TR Proven (FAA), for a quick briefing.

At about 700 ft AGL, the auto throttle commanded engine acceleration. One engine started to rollback during and the other engine started to accelerate then 8-10 seconds later began to roll back. Once the flight crew noticed, they pushed the throttles up and the engines' EECs responded but the engines did not. It appears that no fuel was getting to the engines. There was adequate fuel on the airplane. Fuel sample tests are not complete. No one from this group
of investigators has been on board the airplane. The airplane has been released to the operator and we assume they will move it tonight.

January 17, 2008

On January 17, 2008, at approximately 1242 (GMT), a British Airways Boeing 777, operating as Flight 38 from Beijing, China to London, England with 152 people on board, landed short of the runway at Heathrow International Airport. The airplane skidded in the grassy runway overrun area resulting in substantial structural damage and came to rest at the approach end of the runway. There was no fire, and the airplane was successfully evacuated with only minor injuries reported. The captain stated that at 400ft on a stabilized approach, the power on both engines simultaneously rolled back. Weather does not appear to be a factor.
An investigation team including members from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Boeing, FAA Aircraft Accident Investigation, and the Seattle ACO will be leaving Thursday evening. An accident investigator from Boeing happened to be in London on other business and is currently at the accident site. The Seattle ACO in sending a propulsion and a cabin safety engineering specialist to participate in the investigation. The cabin safety specialist will help assess the factors that contributed to the successful protection and egress of the aircraft’s occupants.

Airplane Configuration Data:

The aircraft is a Boeing Model 777-200, Serial Number 30314, registration G-YMMM, operated by British Airways. The airplane was delivered May 31, 2001 and had accumulated 22,046 hours and 3,181 cycles and is powered by two Rolls-Royce (RR) Trent 895 engines.
The engines were last overhauled approximately one year ago at the Roll-Royce facility in Derby, United Kingdom (UK).
The Trent 895 is part of the Trent 800 series of engines which are high by-pass, axial flow, three spool turbofan engines, originally certified by the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and subsequently validated by the FAA in 1999. European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) began oversight of the type design on behalf of the UK CAA in 2003. The engine FAA type certificate data sheet number is E00050EN.

Top 5 Operators of Boeing Model 777 series airplane:

Number of Airplanes
Singapore Airlines
Emirates Airline
United Airlines
Air France
American Airlines

777-200 Airworthiness Directives (ADs) (See Attachment 1)
Engine Information
Engine #1
Engine #2
Serial No.
Total engine hrs
Total engine cycles 1,928
The current IFSD rates for RR-powered 777’s are as follows:
Worldwide fleet total IFSD rate – 0.0048 per 1,000 hrs. (RR data thru Sept 07)
Worldwide fleet basic IFSD rate – 0.0038 per 1,000 hrs. (RR data thru Sept 07)
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Information only. This information is preliminary and is subject to change.
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