DFW,

I guessing your a former American Airlines pilot also. I know many of you claim the TWA pilots screwed you. Rightful Place was ALPA's version of the merger, which would have been fair. For those that don't know the framework of "Rightful Place", it is the following.

ALL American Airlines Widebody Capts retain their place on the seniority list
Then All TWA widebody Capts are slotted in after them

All American Airlines narrowbody Capts would be placed after the TWA widebody Capts.
Then TWA Narrowbody Capt would go after the AA narrowbody Capts.

The same formula would be applied to all First Officers.

TWA pilots would be fenced off all aircraft that they didnt bring to the merger (MD11, A300, 777), thus allowing the AA narrowbody pilots to transition to widebody positions and enjoy pay raises.

It may sound like BS to an American Airlines pilot, but not to most others.

And I'm just guessing since Congress just enacted legislation that the dirty laundry you hoped had died, is actually one in the spotlight now.

As far as worrying about age 60 NBs, Whale displacements, what can you or I do about it. We can have a letter writing campaign to Congress like the one we (at TWA) did about the AA/TWA merger, maybe it to will enact legislation; however I don't think Congress will view the age 60 NBs or the Whale displacements as detrimental to the industry as the APA driven seniority integration.

What do you think, DFW ?

Lastly, "get over it"....you're not serious, are you ? LOL...

FF

 

I have no side in this argument, but have always heard from the TWA side how they got screwed in the merger, and they did. From the AA side comes "We saved their jobs by buying TWA, they should be grateful". And maybe they should.

Remember the truth lies in the eyes of the beholder, and this is one ugly baby no matter who's looking at it.

 

Enough of the old crap. **** happens in every industry, pull yourself up and get on another horse and continue the race to 60 or 65. Thats life, Its not fair, make the best of it and enjoy it, it's to short.

 

FliFast,


Read the thread title

CARGO MERGERS

I don't get on your AA threads and talk about cargo.

When AA get's a cargo division, we can bring up your TWA/AA boondoggle.

 

Here you go -- FedEx and UPS merge = FedUP

 

Here you go.


http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...SF)/1176818/M/

 

Cool. N676UP. Got lots of time in that one.

 

"I don't get on your"...what the heck are you trying to say ?

Actually AA does have a cargo division...might wanna check it out.

https://www.aacargo.com/

Here's the point Gunter, the most recent merger of seniority lists of late was the one at American Airlines/TWA and USAir/AWA. IF, cargo carriers do merge, where do you think they will look for ideas for the framework of a seniority integration. Ummm, maybe they will look at most recent mergers.

I'll give you a basic example, easily digestible for you. When pilot groups negotiate contracts they look around the industry to see what everyone else is doing. In the event of a cargo merger, do you think all parties will look around the industry to see what the others have done.

The AA/TWA seniority list merger set a precedent in that it generated a rare occurence that Congress stepped in to prevent this from happening again. I would presume the most recent legislation would apply in the event of a cargo merger. Can you show me where Cargo carriers would be exempt from this legislation.

Last question, are you a former AA pilot also ?

If you need any further info on this boondoggle...whatever you call it, P.M. I'll be happy to further explain.

Thanks for your post,

FF

ps Gunter, sorry if you're not as interested as I am on how cargo pilots would be integrated if there was a merger. I think most others are interested in the topic.

 

o.k. I got my fill of AA/TWA arguments 2 or 3 years ago and just didn't expect to get more of it on this cargo thread.

I wasn't personally affected but have heard A LOT about the unfair treatment of TWA guys. I also don't like how USAir guys made out either.


I was just hoping to get some inside info on a merger or acquisition of assets. I alread know more about the problems with integration than I care to. I can see this is an integration thread and will now steer clear.

Cheers.