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Whistlin' Dan 02-08-2008 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by Skymaster (Post 317143)
Great! Glad to hear that!

Now if you could just get the Feds to give back your certificates........

What does any of this have to do with the T/A?

Better yet, what does "my" business have to do with YOU?

If you want to talk stink about other crewmembers, at least show a little testicular fortitude, eh? Contact "me" directly, or via the ALPA 917 message board. You have the URL, and you just might learn something.

Oops, I forgot. You're not "anonymous" over there.

Never mind....

recce hellcat 02-10-2008 09:34 AM

retro vs bonus...
 
congrats on your new ta.
it was stated: "
There are provisions for job security, growth, pay increases and retro compensation." :confused: rumors are going around that you settled for a bonus signing versus retro pay. is that true and if so, why? doesn't that just set back your overall compensation?:(
i hope this isn't a trend within the cargo industry. i believe the last ups contract was also a bonus signing vs. retro pay.

Skymaster 02-10-2008 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan (Post 317208)
Contact "me" directly, or via the ALPA 917 message board. You have the URL, and you just might learn something.

Uh, Jim, it's ALPA 017. And I can't "contact" you there because you were fired from the company........remember?

Hope this clarifies things.

Have a nice day, OK? :D

Red Baron 02-10-2008 12:22 PM

Congratulations! Did DHL/ASTAR management dangle the 767-300's and ABX Air jobs to get your MEC to sign the TA? Wow, your MEC even gave up the scope lawsuit. Ah, the power of the mighty dollar.......

hvydriver 02-10-2008 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Red Baron (Post 318061)
Congratulations! Did DHL/ASTAR management dangle the 767-300's and ABX Air jobs to get your MEC to sign the TA? Wow, your MEC even gave up the scope lawsuit. Ah, the power of the mighty dollar.......

Wow! You guessed it! The cat's out of the bag now.:rolleyes:

bustinmins 02-11-2008 04:51 AM

Congrats on the TA....I hope you like what your negotiation committee has delivered.

FastHap 02-11-2008 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Red Baron (Post 318061)
Did DHL/ASTAR management dangle the 767-300's and ABX Air jobs to get your MEC to sign the TA?

???????????? :mad: :( :confused:

av8or 02-11-2008 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by Red Baron (Post 318061)
Congratulations! Did DHL/ASTAR management dangle the 767-300's and ABX Air jobs to get your MEC to sign the TA? Wow, your MEC even gave up the scope lawsuit. Ah, the power of the mighty dollar.......

Dude, it's not concessionary, no guarantee of 767's, or ABX Air jobs. We did drop scope litigation and we got something more concrete in return. ABX Air is not, and was not mentioned either as a carrot or a stick. Lemme know when yall informational picket to secure something for yourself, and I'll be there to hold a sign.

We have pending scope litigation, we're flamed. We drop pending scope litigation, we're flamed. The good news is, now that we've dropped it, I guess DHL can contract with ABX Air all they want. Sooo, have a drink on me!

Cheers!:cool:

erichartmann 02-11-2008 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by av8or (Post 318500)
Dude, it's not concessionary, no guarantee of 767's, or ABX Air jobs. We did drop scope litigation and we got something more concrete in return. ABX Air is not, and was not mentioned either as a carrot or a stick. Lemme know when yall informational picket to secure something for yourself, and I'll be there to hold a sign.

So what "more concrete" language did you get?



Originally Posted by av8or (Post 318500)
We have pending scope litigation, we're flamed. We drop pending scope litigation, we're flamed. The good news is, now that we've dropped it, I guess DHL can contract with ABX Air all they want. Sooo, have a drink on me!

Cheers!:cool:

Some see a signing bonus as concessionary. They would like to know what you were promised that made a signing bonus worthwhile. They are naturally concerned that your new more concrete scope will now have an adverse affect on their jobs.

av8or 02-11-2008 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by erichartmann (Post 318566)
So what "more concrete" language did you get?



Some see a signing bonus as concessionary. They would like to know what you were promised that made a signing bonus worthwhile. They are naturally concerned that your new more concrete scope will now have an adverse affect on their jobs.


A. As much as I'd like to indulge that question, I'll refrain because it's not really any of your biz until my MEC decides to announce it publicly. Suffice it to say it has nothing to do with ABX and only addresses the future of AStar pilots. Since it's OUR contract, and it's not concessionary, i.e. it's a move forward, once you know what the company agreed to, hopefully YOUR negotiators will be able to secure the same or better for you.

B. While "some" might see a signing bonus as concessionary, what really matters is what my ALPA brethren see it as, and vote on. Truly, you will in time have a chance to view our TA/Contract and make your own determination as to whether you think it was good enough. In nearly ever aspect it was a move forward.

While I recognize that rising tides lift all, my definition of a rising tide might simply be seen as neep by you or others. I don't really feel the need to defend it to you or anyone else though.


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