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Originally Posted by erichartmann (Post 319001)

Hvy,

The questions are being asked because some of your peers have been dropping sketchy details of a potentially inflammatory nature. .....We would like to know what changes were made to the language that might have an adverse impact on us, our careers, our ability to support our families.
As to whether or not the rest of your T/A is concessionary in nature,

That's the problem Eric, all we have are at the moment are vague sketchy details. The MEC and Neg Comm are in the process of putting together a Road Show. Until then we don't know the "devil in the details". And we all know it's in the "details" where the rubber hits the road. So until then, just hang out it the dark with us.

FAJ

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Originally Posted by erichartmann (Post 319001)

The questions are being asked because some of your peers have been dropping sketchy details of a potentially inflammatory nature.

BS.................

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Originally Posted by Skymaster (Post 319058)

BS.................

Please go attempt to commit a physically impossible unnatural act upon yourself.

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Originally Posted by Worldguy (Post 318781)

Typically the reason a company prefers the signing bonus approach instead of "retro" pay, i think, is because they do not want to have to go back and revise the previous quarters or years financial statements. The signing bonus lets them show the costs at the time that the cost occurred, at contract signing, rather than submit a bunch of revised financials. I am not sure why so many people think it is a concession.

Your statement suggesting retro pay requires going back and restating financials is simply not true. Don't believe everything a airline exec might tell you.

A signing bonus may not be a concession, but it doesn’t compare at all with retro pay. Most pilots make the mistake of simply comparing the size of the signing bonus check vs the size of the retro check.

What they miss is the % increase for every pay raise for the rest of their career does not get the benefit of those years you worked without getting a retro pay raise. The compounding of those years without a pay raise adds up.

I’m not dissing the Astar TA in any way, btw. Just trying to explain the difference. Congratulations to you guys on your TA

The results of the Ratification Ballot for the Amendments to the Agreement between ASTAR and ALPA have been certified by ALPA. We are pleased to announce the Amendment to the Agreements passed with the following numbers:

· 427 voters cast their ballots, 88.77% of the eligible voters

· 397 voted in favor of the ratification, 92.97%

· 30 voted against the ratification, 7.03%

This has been a tremendous turnout of voters and we would like to thank everyone that voted for making their voice heard.

How does the fleet growth aspect of the contract work?

If the company is going to grow the fleet aren't they going to grow it regardless of what the contract says?

If the company doesn't want to grow the fleet how can that aspect of the contract be enforced? Is there a financial penalty if the prescribed growth does not occur?

Yes LJ. Monetary penalties if they do not purchase a/c, to be distributed to the FO's and SO's.

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Originally Posted by hvydriver (Post 334070)

Yes LJ. Monetary penalties if they do not purchase a/c, to be distributed to the FO's and SO's.

Oh, that's good! Makes sense now. Thanks!

How are those penalties calculated?