FDX - Porked away NAT line check
 

Fellow Maddog Fedex dudes. I’ve had a couple of cocktails and I’m posting. Probably not a good idea but that’s the way it is. I know most of us are top notch drivers that do the job right. I really hope the tools that caused the recent emails from standards are on this forum and get to see this post. If so, here’s to you – toolbags.

Thanks to you - the 1% idiots for the latest “war & peace” emails (x2) from the MD-11 standards gurus. ***!!! Now we get to deal with extra procedures and additional FAA scrutiny on line checks because you fools are too lazy to do your job properly. I like flying international but I can’t hold it on a regular basis. I’ll be glad to handle your cherry Europe trip if you’re too incompetent to get there without a GNE or inability to pass a line check over the North Atlantic.

This job has its challenges but give me a break. You idiots are making it wayyyyyy harder than it needs to be. Gander tells you to cross 50W at FL290 and you’re at FL330 – you f--king do it. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall on that flight deck during the line check. “Hey, dude, do you think the jet is going to descend to make the restriction? Boy, I hope so. What should we do if it doesn’t start down. Jeez, we’re only 10 mile from the point we’re supposed to be at 290, the jet is still at 330, what should we do? ***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pathetic!!! Where do we get these idiots???

I don’t care if you “fessed up” or not. You guys are tools and you have no business flying around TN never mind crossing the North Atlantic.
Rant over.

Tell it like it is.

Adler,

I think you have had too many cocktails. We all have screwed up, and most of us were lucky enough for it not to happen on a line check. If you are that good, you won't mind the extra scrutiny. Look at it as another chance to succeed....

Bring it on. I've yet to stumble on a check ride in 20 years. I just have a hard time believing that we have folks who rise to such a level of incompetence.

As I said, I’d be glad to fly their trips – line check or not.

You know, we did this all to oursleves. They are sending the f/o's on international experience during ioe to hawaii. let's see, they fly on the same flight plan as filed, no changes, no hf position report...wham bam thank you ma'am. come on really. i am an af dork, but i have spent time teaching students on oceanic procedures. fedex hasn't taught sheet. good luck to the non-military, or even non heavies dudes.

I'd be willing to cut some slack if the problem on this line check had been unique to class-2 nav procedures or flying in the NAT tracks (in light of the flawed IOE scheduling you pointed out). However, this was a basic situation anyone could have encountered over the U.S. ATC tells you to cross a point at an altitude. Automation is nice but you need to make sure the jet does what it is supposed to do.

One other pet peeve. I'm continually amazed at the guys in the left seat of the MD-11 who choose to fly around with their hands in their lap with the AP on. We're below 3K' getting vectored to final or actually on final and they're still closer to jacking off than flying the jet. Good grief!! It sure would be nice if they even pretended to be flying the jet instead of along for the ride. Good night all - maybe I'll be in a better mood tomorrow - !hic! :D

I hope so. You're not sounding really great right now. IMHO.

anything happen to the LCA?

Could've happened to anybody. I've been on this jet for 3 yrs. Currently flying with an LCA. We talked about what happen. Apparently prof does not work when making a relatively small descent in cruise. He even demoed it for me. That's the first I had ever heard that.

It is a training issue relative to our scope of operations. I have not done a NAT in over 15 months. When was the last time you were in Almaty? We go into so many places around the world and domestically, hard to be on top of everything.

Domestic Flag carriers on the 777 or 747 might go to 6-7 cities. What do we have 50 cities in our bid pack?

THAT...is the right question! What about an LCA that didn't intervene soon enough to prevent the violation/altitude deviation? Is he busted too? Also, if the F/O's just suddenly became NOQ, then you haven't got the correct number of qualified crew members to complete the flight.... I could be wrong......:cool: