UPS System Bid 08-101
 

Should read System Bid 08-101

20 74y Cpt Anc
31 74y F/o Anc
13 Md11 F/o Sdf
-7 747 F/o Sdf
-17 747 S/o Sdf
-3 757 Cpt Sdfz
-8 Md11 Cpt Sdf
-3 757 Cpt Ont
-6 747 Cpt Sdf

Good numbers Charlie ... Thanks ...;)

Systemwide numbers:

64 vacancies (20 74Y Capt, 31 74Y FO, 13 MD11 FO)
44 displacements (eventually all fleets most likely)



Let the System Bid Games begin !

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It's 20 74Y Capt. and 31 74Y FO's- I like your version better.

Duh ...
 

You do know 5 out of 4 pilots suffer from dyslexia ... ;)

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It's actually worse than it looks. 20 Capt 74Y vacancies and 45 Capt displacements on the other fleets = net loss of 25 Capt positions system wide.

Then factor in the 17 747 FE's who definitely will get another shot up front, not to mention the DC-8 FE's who can hold 74Y Capt.

Bottom line - you can figure a minimum of 45 current Capts losing their seat, potentially more. The ripple effect is going to be enormous.

If you're junior, I hope you have a very understanding spouse. Gonna be ugly around here for a very long time!

What are they trying to say about the engineers? I can't seem to figure that one out. Are they going to let the 63-65 747 engineers bypass bid, but not the -8 guys? And they're only going to let the -8 engineers upgrade at the company's discretion?

All I can say is.... no one come to the bus! The schedules are crappy and the plane is really really screwy. And don't forget the tail could fall off at any moment!

I think you a partially right. However, it looks like a loss of 20 current captains and a gain of 20 74y captains. So that part is a wash, but you a correct as to the 17 engineers or DC8 engineers that will bid the vacancies. The other uh oh, is if all the 747 FEs wait to get displaced, and let the realignment close and the displacement open. So then they could displace to wherever their seniority could hold. So ultimately you could see some initial captain upgrades just to be yanked.

What they are saying is that if you are an 8 s/o you better bid for the open ANC slots now, or you may never make it back up front. They may be parking some eight's but they are not displacing off of it. So, get your capt. slots now old timers on the eight, because it may be a while before any vacancies come available.

I may add that nobody knows what is going to happen in a displacement. Too many variables to look at to guess what is going to happen. All I can say is that UPS has just made life and quality of life more difficult for I would guess 2/3 of the pilots. The next few years around here are not going to fun.

In other words ... bid the ANC vacancies or die on the panel. At least this year, and that's all that you need to know ...

Only 2/3 's unhappy ... ? Who's the 1/3 that will be happy when it is over ?

In the big picture, it's far from a wash. Contractually, during a realignment bid the number of new vacancies must equal the number of positions being realigned. I think this is what you're looking at. However, if you look at the displacement bid, it shows net loss of 45 Capts in the lower 48. So gain of 20 and loss of 45 = -25 system wide.

This is the not the only number we should be worried about, as I described above.