I have issues when this "undercut your ALPA brothers" is used, as MANY of the regionals are ALPA carriers. This "You took flying away from me." kind of talk is EXACTLY what the G0Jet pilots feed on as justification for their actions.

"Regional airlines take flying away from each other and the mainline every day, we aren't doing anything different," is typically one of their 'canned' responses. Here is where the difference lies.... It is true that one of the downsides of having many small carriers, is that often the different MANAGEMENTS bid against each other and often flying is shifted from carrier to carrier.

G0Jet, however, is the only PILOT group so far, who have purposefully gone against other ALPA pilots of the SAME AIRLINE to get flying which has bigger jets with even crappier rates of pay! This is one of the main issues many ALPA pilots have with G0Jet. Having an airline hire one of those pilots is just like saying, "Oh, a future non-member, let's hire him!"

 

de727ups – unfortunately, the no-nepotism rule is still alive - my buddy can't even interview here since his dad works here (ioe instructor - line guy).

I believe we hired 1 gojet guy about a year or so ago. Pretty sad, those guys hurt lots of my friends at Trans States when TSA decided to furlough some of their pilots in training and offered those jobs to new hire Gojet pilots instead. A shameful tactic Lorenzo and Icann (sp?) would be very proud off.

 

We have several here at FDX. And the kicker is about half are ALPA members in "Good" standing now...........Go figure

I thought you were either "With us or against us".....and not just when it suits you. Guess I was wrong, again.

 

I am not talking about the "definition of the day" scabs that gets bantered around on the forums. I mean the national list. I don't particularly follow it, but a friend of mine that has been at FDX for quite some time pointed it out to me. Amazing

 

didn't know that was still up... thouht they had taken the list down. I know of a Eastern scab that is involved in the over 60 bid.. coming back to the front seat of I think the 75.

 

No spears from me. My comment was meant to be taken tongue-in-cheek.

My point was that almost everybody who comes into this business does so by working cheaper than the guy ahead of him. Your Beech 1900 may not have "stolen" any flying from United, but it probably took some from the guys at F9, who in turn were taking some from Ted, who were taking some from United, etc. I know a lot of people at UPS who started their 121 careers at Evergreen, flying for hourly rates that were laughable at the time. It wasn't a career destination for them, just a stop along the way. Kind of like your regional was for you, and like "GoJet" is to the guys working there now.

I understand your frustration, but this is not the time to start creating an "us" vs. "them" relationship across the experience levels of our profession. The enemy here is not some kid fresh out of ERAU who's just trying to log enough turbine time to land a real job, it's airline management and a system which not only permits, but rewards a single corporate entity for owning several competing carriers.

 

Do Fedex pilots have complete control over who gets hired?

We don't really have any control as to who gets hired (unless you have connections), but just like you have to fill out an online recommendation for a guy, you can also give him/her a down. To my knowledge any down along the way in the app process and your out...
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False premise.










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I too think you have a false premise.

The unions do have power even though it gets eroded from time to time. Our pay would be lower, collectively, if we were like Asian carriers without them. Not only that, we would have to have the permission of our company and get the new company to pay for our previous experience to quit and go to another job. This, and other restrictions, keeps their pay and benefits very low. It also sounds like slave labor.

If people avoid Gojet because of poor working conditions AND a diminished chance of career progression Gojet will, eventually, change their ways or go out of business.

No union implementation is perfect and the management tricks that cause one to get voted in are more heinous than questionable union decisions. At least unions try to benefit someone on the seniority list instead of sticking it to everyone like some managements have.

So, in short, we should put down the law and guide the newer pilots as best we can. If they squeeze their way in during a period of rapid hiring, so be it. But I would not give them a free pass. We should reward those who do the right thing. And, no, I am not being a hypocrite because I did not do it.

 

ALPA doesn't seem to have a problem with Gojet.