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HerkDriver 03-17-2008 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by pdo bump (Post 342382)
bandit-

just like non-members, excuses are like as&^%les, everybody has one.

we HAVE to support the SIG or we will have no one else to blame about the crappy bidpacks.

Can we revise the above term to "non-paying, non-member"? I am seriously consdiering becoming a "dues-paying" non-member if ALPA decides to endorse any candidate for president. Fire away.

USMCFDX 03-17-2008 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by HerkDriver (Post 342557)
Can we revise the above term to "non-paying, non-member"? I am seriously consdiering becoming a "dues-paying" non-member if ALPA decides to endorse any candidate for president. Fire away.

I will be right after you. The only draw back I see is being unable to vote on issues, but that really doesn't seem to matter anyway.

pinseeker 03-17-2008 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by HerkDriver (Post 342557)
Can we revise the above term to "non-paying, non-member"? I am seriously consdiering becoming a "dues-paying" non-member if ALPA decides to endorse any candidate for president. Fire away.

OK, so you will be non-member herkdriver. Unless you were a NM prior to August 2006, any new NM is a dues paying NM. ALPA will endorse a candidate just like every other union in the country and it will probably be a Dem. Those are just the facts. It's not new, so I don't see why you say IF ALPA endorses.

Bandit524 03-17-2008 03:32 PM

Excuse me but I’m a dues paying member that has never flown a DP nor even “mistakenly” volunteered for one. I said what I did hoping to elicit some frank conversation about my thoughts on the current state of our union. I did not however question anyone’s character, integrity, or ethics and I certainly don’t appreciate mine being questioned. Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. I do however appreciate the comments of many of you (Gunter, FDXLAG, jlo007, v1 uh-oh, and pdo bump) and will rethink my position. Whether you agree or not I have the right to voice my professional opinion and expect the same in return.

bluejuice 03-17-2008 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by Bandit524 (Post 342668)
Whether you agree or not I have the right to voice my professional opinion and expect the same in return.

I agree with you. Right now this union stinks.

jlo007 03-17-2008 04:43 PM

Freedom
 
Post away Bandit. Not only is it your right to express your opinion I think it is your obligation. Particularly since you expressed yourself in a professional manner. Where are we as a union (and as a pilot for that matter) if we can't identify our weaknesses, fix them, and get better? I don't mind if the Capt debriefs me on things I could do better on, as long as it's constructive...but mostly we don't have that kind of time to cover it all.:) The union should be the same way, and by and large I think the leaders do want constructive comments i.e. they beg for email, want lots at the hub turn meetings, etc. I'd like to see them send out a questionaire soliciting opinions on the top 5 or 10 issues facing the pilot force or what we want to see in the next contract.

pdo bump 03-17-2008 05:02 PM

bandit, many of us are frustrated just like you are. just tired of hearing all of the excuses out there by the DP fliers. i know this system isn't the best, but it is what we have. that's why i give albie so much credit (and called all of my buds to vote for him).

keep the faith, and yes, bandit, this can be a good forum for discussion. i think we just jump on each other like we were in the squadron over beers.

maybe there is a better way to do this.....any good ideas?

Gunter 03-17-2008 05:24 PM

I recommend we talk in a professional manner. When the insults fly the message is lost.

Laughing_Jakal 03-17-2008 05:52 PM

Revisionist History
 

Originally Posted by Bandit524 (Post 342360)
Our collective union says disputed pairings are onerous and are potentially detrimental to safety. Without published supporting rationale we’re supposed to blindly follow their guidance. .........

I for one am done with blindly following union recommendations and will assess DPs based upon my own evaluation of the pairing in question. I quite sure there are numerous others that feel likewise. :

I must have misunderstood you.....my apologies. (Sarcasm off)

FLMD11CAPT 03-17-2008 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Bandit524 (Post 342668)
Excuse me but I’m a dues paying member that has never flown a DP nor even “mistakenly” volunteered for one. I said what I did hoping to elicit some frank conversation about my thoughts on the current state of our union. I did not however question anyone’s character, integrity, or ethics and I certainly don’t appreciate mine being questioned. Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. I do however appreciate the comments of many of you (Gunter, FDXLAG, jlo007, v1 uh-oh, and pdo bump) and will rethink my position. Whether you agree or not I have the right to voice my professional opinion and expect the same in return.

Well Bandit,
Individually assessing DP's on your own criteria is simply a selfish excuse to fly them if you see fit (plusing up the line, or any other selfish need). Followership is a lost art. all thinkers ("my own criteria") seem to think they are smarter than than average bear. Bottom line is........if your a member, toe the line.......if not, then you are revealed as what you are......a non-member in members clothing, hiding until your own selfish needs overide your need for anonimity. No more ....no less.


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