I'll look into this, and see what I can find. I'll let you all know.

 

I'll tell ya what ya need -- The Contract!


Please don't include "Tony Said" on your expense report. I don't need to "get to know" my ACP any better than I already do.


I think there's a bit of confusion here because the "question" keeps changing. So, let's just drop the ever-changing hypothetical for a minute and take a look at the rule in the Contract.

Now that's for deadheading, here's deviating:

So, a Scheduled deadhead qualifies for First Class if (1)the Block hours for the D/H exceeds 5+00, or if (2) the Block Hours for a revenue flight plus the D/H exceeds 8+00 (and the D/H itself exceeds 1+30), or if (3) the Duty Time exceeds 11+30.

Section 8.C.3.a.ii. tells us that the same parameters are applied to Deviation Deadheads.


Where it gets confusing is when we try to figure out where the money is coming from, the Deviation Bank, or the Pilot's pocket?


Let's say I have one trip on my line for the month, and it has a front-end deadhead to OAK, with a stop in DFW, Block Time is 4+58. It warrants a coach fare, and the accepted fare is $800.

I decide to change that flight to another airline that operates through MSP where I can earn FF miles, and it turns out the new block time is 5+03. I can book it as a deviation deadhead in First Class now, and the difference in price from the new flight, $1,023, is charged against my deviation bank. At the end of the month, I'll owe Fred $223.

Another option would have been to schedule a different flight through DEN where the new Block Time might have been 5+00. Although it doesn't qualify for First Class, I book it as First Class anyway. The difference is NOT authorized as a deviation expense. The difference in fares this time, say $274, comes out of my pocket.


In the first case, I paid for it because the expense exceeded my deviation bank. In the second case, I paid for it because it was not an authorized deviation expense.



Now, throw in another Trip for the month with a deadhead, and the deviation bank looks a little different. Let's say it's an operate to IND, then D/H back to MEM, and the Accepted Fare is $300. Rather than take the deadhead, I decide to jumpseat back to MEM on one of our luxurious 727's. The $300 goes into the bank.


Now, at the end of the month, I have enough money in the deviation bank to cover the extra $223 the deviation through MSP would have cost. I would also have hade enough to cover the deviation expense through DEN ($274), but it wasn't authorized (Block didn't 5+00) so it doesn't matter -- I still have to pay it.


Since Jetjok is deviating on both ends, the class authorized in the original trip is irrelevant. The only thing relevant is the Accepted Fare for his trip, $1,883. In his case, I can see how the "East Coast" to SEA leg would easily qualify for First Class. He sits there to visit friends, ride Porsches, and "Kyacking" -- I think that's something like kayaking.

The next leg, SEA to FAT makes me wonder. I don't know how you could stretch that to > 5+00 Block. That looks like coach to me, but I might be missing something.

Finally, the FAT-LAX-"East Coast" is easily First Class.

The trick here is getting all that done in under $1,883.




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Thanks... that's how I read it, too.

 

PIA is Peoria, IL.

 

Tony, Thanks for the spelling correction. I do strive to not misspell stuff. Anyway, if you saw my second post about the deadheading, you would have seen that I said that the SEA to FAT (as well as the FAT to LAX) were both done in coach class. As far as making it all work within the deadhead bank, well, it's easy as F/C on NWA to LAX, SEA, PDX, SFO or OAK is roughly $780. The same for going back east. So that leaves a bunch more $$ for the coach flight to or from Fresno. I say that because the normal bank for this trip is about $2300, for both front and back end deadhead, combined. Hope that 'splains it.

 

Sure does. You're right, with all the backs and forths, I overlooked you had said the SEA-FAT was coach. Does FAT even have any service that's First?


I was just baggin' ya about the kayakin' -- I was gonna bag ya about ridin' in the Porsche instead of drivin' it, but that woulda taken more words.


$2300, huh? Looks like they shorted you about $417 this month!





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FAT has very limited FC service into or out of it, with the possible exception of a Delta flight to somewhere, an AA flight to Dallas, and of course America West (USAir) to/from PHX. Most everything else is a small commuter type prop or jet.

Actually I was correct in my ridin' in the P car. My bud up there has the same year car as I do, and so I usually elect to just act as a passenger as I hate it when he moans as I grind his newly installed transmission gears. He's got this very strange gear shifter that he installed. He thinks it's great and I'm just not used to it, so I elect to ride instead of drive. It keeps us friends.

This month, because of peak, the first trip actually started with a dh to IND. The next trip, later in the month is the traditional ddh to/from FAT. It all works and it's all good. Everything is what one makes of it, with the exception of what's going on with salaries/work rules/layoffs, etc, at our brother airlines...that stinks. Big time.

 

I had no doubt you meant ride instead of drive. I could have teased you about riding in the plane, riding in the car ... aww, never mind, the humor doesn't translate when I start spellin' it out ... feeble attempt at humor there, I'd never make it as a stand-up comedian.




Indeed, it is what we make of it. I'm thrilled that you can find pleasure in this trip.




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I didn't even notice she had a head......

 

Yep.......