LOA talk at FDX
08-01-2008 | 12:28 PM
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Not me. I think we are still making money. I think we signed a contract that limited how much we can make in good times and limits how little we make it bad times. In January the DC-10 goes away (AKA generates zero revenue). Some DC-10 guys don't have class till July (darn seniority), with your logic they should be paid zero and not call it a furlough.
08-01-2008 | 01:21 PM
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Sounds like that is what you are suggesting right here
Why should any particular pilot (AC) group take a backseat to any other group? The contract sets the minimum bid period guarantee at 68/85. Everyone should be making that at the minimum.
Buying up lines to the minimum when we are fat in a particular group is the same as paying draft when we are short in a particular group. It is just the cost of doing business. When profits become negative (ie the company is actually loosing money) I will start to worry, until then they are just trying to see how cheap they can get us to go (like the FDA LOA).
The only way to go below 68/85 is to announce they are going to furlough. I dont think we are anywhere near that yet.
How about 50 and 84, or 51/83, maybe 51.5/82.5..Do you get where Im going? The contract sets a plausible benchmark in which we will operate such as the 48/60 rule. We could argue why not 49/59 or 48/61 till the cows come home. However, the broader goal of this stipulation is that we all take a hit before we let any man go. That is a good thing. Now, as I stated since we are in an economic slow period I would prefer that we dont bang the equality drum as hard and focus more on what is and more importantly what is not profitable. There does come a point (Im a junior non military, no side business guy) where you have to furlough, again this 48/60 rule is a good blunt instrument that addresses that concern. Now if the company can show that a particular fleet is not generating the revenue, all else being equal than yes I would say this aircraft group is going to have less BLG associated with it than another aircraft group. I look at the BLG difference not so much as an attack on a particular pilot group but addressing where we get our most bang for the buck from AC profitability. As I read the email, there would still be no furloughs no drop below the 48/60 just a difference in BLG between the AC groups.
Why should any particular pilot (AC) group take a backseat to any other group? The contract sets the minimum bid period guarantee at 68/85. Everyone should be making that at the minimum.
Buying up lines to the minimum when we are fat in a particular group is the same as paying draft when we are short in a particular group. It is just the cost of doing business. When profits become negative (ie the company is actually loosing money) I will start to worry, until then they are just trying to see how cheap they can get us to go (like the FDA LOA).
The only way to go below 68/85 is to announce they are going to furlough. I dont think we are anywhere near that yet.
08-04-2008 | 02:10 PM
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As a friend once said, "If your goose is laying golden eggs, you squeeze the hell out of her." If she begins having trouble, you should give her a comfortable place to nest."
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08-04-2008 | 07:46 PM
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Sounds like that is what you are suggesting right here
Why should any particular pilot (AC) group take a backseat to any other group? The contract sets the minimum bid period guarantee at 68/85. Everyone should be making that at the minimum.
Buying up lines to the minimum when we are fat in a particular group is the same as paying draft when we are short in a particular group. It is just the cost of doing business. When profits become negative (ie the company is actually loosing money) I will start to worry, until then they are just trying to see how cheap they can get us to go (like the FDA LOA).
The only way to go below 68/85 is to announce they are going to furlough. I dont think we are anywhere near that yet.
Why should any particular pilot (AC) group take a backseat to any other group? The contract sets the minimum bid period guarantee at 68/85. Everyone should be making that at the minimum.
Buying up lines to the minimum when we are fat in a particular group is the same as paying draft when we are short in a particular group. It is just the cost of doing business. When profits become negative (ie the company is actually loosing money) I will start to worry, until then they are just trying to see how cheap they can get us to go (like the FDA LOA).
The only way to go below 68/85 is to announce they are going to furlough. I dont think we are anywhere near that yet.
08-04-2008 | 08:38 PM
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Seems like that isn't the only thing that has done that
08-05-2008 | 07:04 PM
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All I can say is, I've never heard so much whinning from a bunch of know-it-all pilot's in my 35 year career. You guy's are the one's who voted for the contract. You guy's are the one's who voted for the LOA. You guy's are the one's who flew draft and volunteer during negotiation. You guy's are the one's flying disputed pairing's because all you care about is the immediate gratification and screw what it does to the rest of the crew force. You guy's are the one's who don't step up to the plate and vote during the duration of the contract for the item's that need our attention. Get real. Quit whinning and live with it. We've done it to ourselve's. Vote these moron's that run this organization out and get people in there that really do care about their fellow crew-member's and not just the ability to get paid for dropped trip's.
08-05-2008 | 09:20 PM
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All I can say is, I've never heard so much whinning from a bunch of know-it-all pilot's in my 35 year career. You guy's are the one's who voted for the contract. You guy's are the one's who voted for the LOA. You guy's are the one's who flew draft and volunteer during negotiation. You guy's are the one's flying disputed pairing's because all you care about is the immediate gratification and screw what it does to the rest of the crew force. You guy's are the one's who don't step up to the plate and vote during the duration of the contract for the item's that need our attention. Get real. Quit whinning and live with it. We've done it to ourselve's. Vote these moron's that run this organization out and get people in there that really do care about their fellow crew-member's and not just the ability to get paid for dropped trip's.
08-05-2008 | 09:20 PM
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All I can say is, I've never heard so much whinning from a bunch of know-it-all pilot's in my 35 year career. You guy's are the one's who voted for the contract. You guy's are the one's who voted for the LOA. You guy's are the one's who flew draft and volunteer during negotiation. You guy's are the one's flying disputed pairing's because all you care about is the immediate gratification and screw what it does to the rest of the crew force. You guy's are the one's who don't step up to the plate and vote during the duration of the contract for the item's that need our attention. Get real. Quit whinning and live with it. We've done it to ourselve's. Vote these moron's that run this organization out and get people in there that really do care about their fellow crew-member's and not just the ability to get paid for dropped trip's.
But, I do like the spirit of your post.
08-05-2008 | 10:22 PM
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All I can say is, I've never heard so much whinning from a bunch of know-it-all pilot's in my 35 year career. You guy's are the one's who voted for the contract. You guy's are the one's who voted for the LOA. You guy's are the one's who flew draft and volunteer during negotiation. You guy's are the one's flying disputed pairing's because all you care about is the immediate gratification and screw what it does to the rest of the crew force. You guy's are the one's who don't step up to the plate and vote during the duration of the contract for the item's that need our attention. Get real. Quit whinning and live with it. We've done it to ourselve's. Vote these moron's that run this organization out and get people in there that really do care about their fellow crew-member's and not just the ability to get paid for dropped trip's.
Did you post this in the wrong thread? Not sure where you got all the "You guys" this and that from.
It is nice to rant once in a while but don't throw all of us under the train because we complain.
Many are doing their part to try and make this a better place to work. They:
1: Vote
2: Vote NO
3: Don't fly or condone flying disputed pairings
4: Didn't fly Draft or Volunterr during negotiations
Unfortunately, we have many that only care about themselves and opt for short term gratification vice long term gains!
08-06-2008 | 06:41 AM
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Did you post this in the wrong thread? Not sure where you got all the "You guys" this and that from.
It is nice to rant once in a while but don't throw all of us under the train because we complain.
Many are doing their part to try and make this a better place to work. They:
1: Vote
2: Vote NO
3: Don't fly or condone flying disputed pairings
4: Didn't fly Draft or Volunterr during negotiations
Unfortunately, we have many that only care about themselves and opt for short term gratification vice long term gains!
It is nice to rant once in a while but don't throw all of us under the train because we complain.
Many are doing their part to try and make this a better place to work. They:
1: Vote
2: Vote NO
3: Don't fly or condone flying disputed pairings
4: Didn't fly Draft or Volunterr during negotiations
Unfortunately, we have many that only care about themselves and opt for short term gratification vice long term gains!
Most of the apathy comes from the uninformed, uninvolved masses who would rather sit back and play with their wenches out in peaceful Mission Viejo.
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