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Old 09-11-2008 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 290kts
"We (UPS) WERE flying hand flown CatIII approaches to a DA of 100 feet (700 RVR)"


We call those Cat II at FedEx
Nope, 700 RVR is CAT IIIA .

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Old 09-11-2008 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso
290kts,

He has to be referring to Cat III by definition. By basic FAR/AIM definition, a Cat II can't go lower than 1200 RVR, although we know from OPS Specs that it can go down to 1000RVR with autoland. To get a number as low as 700, they had to be doing a CAT III, they just had to make the decision on whether or not the airplane was going to land where it's supposed to at a higher altitude than we do probably because they were hand flying it.
We've been doing it wrong on CAT IIIA since the verbiage changed to call it a "See to land." CAT IIIA is 700, which a hand flown would be.

Check the CRAR for the US and CAT IIIA. Page C-30

Now, you could also fly a CAT IIIB to an autoland and disconnect when the nosewheel touches down (contaminated rwy). Not sure if they are going to call that a 600 or a 700 RVR approach.

The FOM is going to change and you will see the 700 come back.

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Old 09-11-2008 | 02:50 PM
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Understood MX727, I didn't even bother breaking down the individual CAT III parts, because I responding to a post that said a 700RVR approach could be a CAT II which it never could be without using Big Boy authority.
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Old 09-12-2008 | 02:51 PM
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Thanks for the input dudes/dudettes.

I just wanted to know if it was possible at some point and it seems that it is/was.
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Old 09-12-2008 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 290kts
"We (UPS) WERE flying hand flown CatIII approaches to a DA of 100 feet (700 RVR)"


We call those Cat II at FedEx
CAT IIs to 700 RVR? The rest of the world usually flys CAT IIs down to 1000 rvr. You purple guys r good!
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Old 09-12-2008 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fr8rcaptain
CAT IIs to 700 RVR? The rest of the world usually flys CAT IIs down to 1000 rvr. You purple guys r good!
That's right "brownie"!!

Minimums are for pussies!!

We don't need no stinkin' FARs. Us and JetBlue.
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Old 09-12-2008 | 07:48 PM
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Not as good as the SWA crews though. Always amazes me how they can take the visual approach at SNA when I'm in the clouds. They must be allowed to to low level through the hills to make it work.
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Old 09-13-2008 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by kronan
Not as good as the SWA crews though. Always amazes me how they can take the visual approach at SNA when I'm in the clouds. They must be allowed to to low level through the hills to make it work.
Anything is possible at the "Happiest Place on Earth". Afterall, that's "Where the Magic Began."
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Old 09-13-2008 | 07:19 AM
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I thought the happiest place on Earth began in Anaheim?
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Old 09-13-2008 | 07:27 AM
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The UPS 727's were flying CATIIIa hand flown approaches down to a 50 ft DH (not 100 ft, as posted earlier), and 700 RVR. It was the same HUD that Alaskan had in their 727's. Great system!
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