Visual Separation between departures
11-17-2008, 05:14 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Beertini
You are scaring me Fatty...breaking out the 7110.65.
Next thing you know we will start doing approach TERPS criteria reviews.
Beertini
Next thing you know we will start doing approach TERPS criteria reviews.
Beertini
-Fatty
11-17-2008, 08:13 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by MEM_ATC
The Local Controller asked the Heavy if he still had the B727 in sight in an effort to apply Visual Separation, and the Heavy driver responded with "I refuse to accept or provide visual separation" (paraphrased).
WHAT a bunch of weenies!
'ATC' is just trying to help you dorks out -and improve your employer's bottom line! IE: lower fuel burn . .stock price . . dividends . .. fiscal soundness.
Some of you guys have been watching too much Boston Legal. . . or imagine you are lawyers. Think about what the 'can do' pioneers of aviation would be thinking of your limp dick responses here. Pitiful !!
I thought this was a 'team effort' here? Too much 'CYA' going on for an old timer. Accept the damn clearance -and if you 'lose' him -due to your own weaknesses . .due to your own pizz poor airman ship . . call it out. . . and get a vector out of the situation.
11-17-2008, 11:33 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by W0XOFF
... 'anal retentive' wins the prize.
WHAT a bunch of weenies!
'ATC' is just trying to help you dorks out - ...
Think about what the 'can do' pioneers of aviation would be thinking of your limp dick responses here. Pitiful !!
Too much 'CYA' going on ...
if you 'lose' him -due to your own weaknesses . .due to your own pizz poor airman ship . . call it out. . .
Whatever you say, cowgirl.
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11-18-2008, 07:02 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by W0XOFF
The guy that brought up the psychological term 'anal retentive' wins the prize.
WHAT a bunch of weenies!
'ATC' is just trying to help you dorks out -and improve your employer's bottom line! IE: lower fuel burn . .stock price . . dividends . .. fiscal soundness.
Some of you guys have been watching too much Boston Legal. . . or imagine you are lawyers. Think about what the 'can do' pioneers of aviation would be thinking of your limp dick responses here. Pitiful !!
I thought this was a 'team effort' here? Too much 'CYA' going on for an old timer. Accept the damn clearance -and if you 'lose' him -due to your own weaknesses . .due to your own pizz poor airman ship . . call it out. . . and get a vector out of the situation.
WHAT a bunch of weenies!
'ATC' is just trying to help you dorks out -and improve your employer's bottom line! IE: lower fuel burn . .stock price . . dividends . .. fiscal soundness.
Some of you guys have been watching too much Boston Legal. . . or imagine you are lawyers. Think about what the 'can do' pioneers of aviation would be thinking of your limp dick responses here. Pitiful !!
I thought this was a 'team effort' here? Too much 'CYA' going on for an old timer. Accept the damn clearance -and if you 'lose' him -due to your own weaknesses . .due to your own pizz poor airman ship . . call it out. . . and get a vector out of the situation.
Oh yea, and when you're pulling back the throttles to go slow into SAN (hmm, wonder why anyone would do that?
), its hard to over take anyone!
11-18-2008, 08:39 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by W0XOFF
The guy that brought up the psychological term 'anal retentive' wins the prize.
WHAT a bunch of weenies!
'ATC' is just trying to help you dorks out -and improve your employer's bottom line! IE: lower fuel burn . .stock price . . dividends . .. fiscal soundness.
Some of you guys have been watching too much Boston Legal. . . or imagine you are lawyers. Think about what the 'can do' pioneers of aviation would be thinking of your limp dick responses here. Pitiful !!
I thought this was a 'team effort' here? Too much 'CYA' going on for an old timer. Accept the damn clearance -and if you 'lose' him -due to your own weaknesses . .due to your own pizz poor airman ship . . call it out. . . and get a vector out of the situation.
WHAT a bunch of weenies!
'ATC' is just trying to help you dorks out -and improve your employer's bottom line! IE: lower fuel burn . .stock price . . dividends . .. fiscal soundness.
Some of you guys have been watching too much Boston Legal. . . or imagine you are lawyers. Think about what the 'can do' pioneers of aviation would be thinking of your limp dick responses here. Pitiful !!
I thought this was a 'team effort' here? Too much 'CYA' going on for an old timer. Accept the damn clearance -and if you 'lose' him -due to your own weaknesses . .due to your own pizz poor airman ship . . call it out. . . and get a vector out of the situation.
11-20-2008, 07:49 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by W0XOFF
The guy that brought up the psychological term 'anal retentive' wins the prize.
WHAT a bunch of weenies!
Some of you guys have been watching too much Boston Legal. . . or imagine you are lawyers. Think about what the 'can do' pioneers of aviation would be thinking of your limp dick responses here. Pitiful !!
I thought this was a 'team effort' here? Too much 'CYA' going on for an old timer. Accept the damn clearance -and if you 'lose' him -due to your own weaknesses . .due to your own pizz poor airman ship . . call it out. . . and get a vector out of the situation.
WHAT a bunch of weenies!
Some of you guys have been watching too much Boston Legal. . . or imagine you are lawyers. Think about what the 'can do' pioneers of aviation would be thinking of your limp dick responses here. Pitiful !!
I thought this was a 'team effort' here? Too much 'CYA' going on for an old timer. Accept the damn clearance -and if you 'lose' him -due to your own weaknesses . .due to your own pizz poor airman ship . . call it out. . . and get a vector out of the situation.
"AR" all the way!
11-20-2008, 09:18 PM
#49
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I was watching 4 T-45s take off today from El Centro and I was thinking about this 'visual separation' thread and wondering if there would be such a big discussion in their ready room. Reading this thread has certainly given me a new perspective on the whole thing. I've never put that much thought into it.
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11-21-2008, 03:49 AM
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I flew down to Florida once on the MD-10. On the return leg, we got out to the jet and the wing anti-ice was deferred. MEL said that you have to remain clear of icing conditions.
The captain said, no problem - he had printed out the satellite picture of the southeast, and if we just aviated a little west of our filed route we'd be fine.
I asked him if he'd realized what we were signing up for - maintaining VFR at night at Mach .82. Hitting clouds and then getting out of them is not "remaining clear" of icing conditions.
You guys with the eagle eyes and the fighter reflexes are all studs and all, but the FAA can ruin your whole day - I've seen it many times, and I'd say over 50% of the time the pilot is trying to do the company a favor.
Consistently spotting the right 727 at night with no logo lights from ~3 miles away while flying a two-man airliner through the takeoff profile... you guys are Yeager, man.....
The captain said, no problem - he had printed out the satellite picture of the southeast, and if we just aviated a little west of our filed route we'd be fine.
I asked him if he'd realized what we were signing up for - maintaining VFR at night at Mach .82. Hitting clouds and then getting out of them is not "remaining clear" of icing conditions.
You guys with the eagle eyes and the fighter reflexes are all studs and all, but the FAA can ruin your whole day - I've seen it many times, and I'd say over 50% of the time the pilot is trying to do the company a favor.
Consistently spotting the right 727 at night with no logo lights from ~3 miles away while flying a two-man airliner through the takeoff profile... you guys are Yeager, man.....
