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12-10-2008, 01:00 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by PurpleTail
How about do what the UNITED PILOTS did when they got their brand new shiny triple 7's....PARK THEM!!! Now that was a union with some backbone and kahoona's!
No pay rate? They didn't fly them, period.
No pay rate? They didn't fly them, period.
Amazing how that works.
12-10-2008, 02:08 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by cma2407
True, but it was the Delta guys who did that. They parked them, and would not fly them, until they got the pay rate they desired.
Amazing how that works.
Amazing how that works.
12-10-2008, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PastV1
Amazing how that works when your contract allows you to do that....
12-10-2008, 02:29 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by Oceanside11
Ummm....I'm pretty sure ours does. Let's see...it takes one CAP and as many as 4 FOs to go MEM-CAN. So how will they move the airplanes if no one bids it? Excess guys off the panel in the Boeing? It's all a matter of unity and will power. How does that Gatorade slogan go?..."Is it in you?"
Quite a different story trying to get 4600 guys not to "bid" it.
12-10-2008, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cma2407
True, but it was the Delta guys who did that. They parked them, and would not fly them, until they got the pay rate they desired.
Amazing how that works.
Amazing how that works.
I can confirm UAL actually parked the 747-400's for lack of a pay rate when they were brand new. I'm unable to confirm DAL did anything like that.
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12-10-2008, 03:33 PM
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I'd be interested in what specific guidance was given by UAL's and DAL's ALPA leadership to their pilots. Did they/could they say "don't bid it" or something similar? The strongest guidance I've seen from FDX ALPA was something to the effect of "only bid it if you'd be happy flying it at domestic A-310 rates." I've been under the impression that saying any more than that could be labeled an illegal job action and we'd get sued. How were UAL's and DAL's pilots able to get around that?
12-10-2008, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PastV1
Ocean, There is a big diff between that and what happened at Delta. They could bid, get trained and then not fly if a pay rate was not agreed upon.....
Quite a different story trying to get 4600 guys not to "bid" it.
Quite a different story trying to get 4600 guys not to "bid" it.
12-10-2008, 07:28 PM
#78
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Originally Posted by 2005 Blues
I'd be interested in what specific guidance was given by UAL's and DAL's ALPA leadership to their pilots. Did they/could they say "don't bid it" or something similar? The strongest guidance I've seen from FDX ALPA was something to the effect of "only bid it if you'd be happy flying it at domestic A-310 rates." I've been under the impression that saying any more than that could be labeled an illegal job action and we'd get sued. How were UAL's and DAL's pilots able to get around that?
Those guys have a specific clause in their contracts that if they get a new airframe they have to negotiate a payrate. No payrate=parked airplane. Unlike us, they don't have a default entry.
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12-10-2008, 08:59 PM
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So there wasn't even an option to bid it until there was a negotiated payrate?
I guess if we'd put "(or replacement aircraft)" after every mention of A-380 in our contract we'd have something similar.
I guess if we'd put "(or replacement aircraft)" after every mention of A-380 in our contract we'd have something similar.
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