Message to say4dew about unions
01-28-2009, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by purple101
Quote from say4dew4
When NFL teams make the final cut to 52 players or cut a player during the year the skill players that have contracts aren't asked to take a cut in pay are they?
FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Fitzgerald: I will tweak my contract to keep Boldin
This isn't the first time something like this has happened in the NFL. Just another example of how your analogies don't work.
When NFL teams make the final cut to 52 players or cut a player during the year the skill players that have contracts aren't asked to take a cut in pay are they?
FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Fitzgerald: I will tweak my contract to keep Boldin
This isn't the first time something like this has happened in the NFL. Just another example of how your analogies don't work.
Indeed. Veterans frequently take pay cuts to free up salary cap room so their team can sign promising young (junior)free agents.
01-29-2009, 03:23 AM
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From Fawlty Towers, after Fawlty pays his cook overtime:
"I get it. I pay you for an hour-and-a-half; you clear out after half-an-hour. That's socialism."
"No, no Mr. Fawlty. That's the free market!"
HUCK'S THIRTY-SECOND EXPLANATION OF UNIONS v. THE FREE-MARKET
A. The free market consists of bargained-for exchanges, written down as contracts.
B. A "contract" is a legal document that requires five things to be valid:
- Offer
- Acceptance
- Consideration
- Capacity to contract
- Comparable standing
( "Comparable Standing" means both parties have relatively equal power; that the contract is not coercive. Someone can hold a gun to your head and make you sign a document, but that document is not a binding contract.)
C. Unions provide comparable standing between labor and management.
If I went in to negotiate a better deal by myself, the company would laugh - they could fire me and have a guy in my seat in 20 minutes. Likewise, they could call me and cut my pay 50% and I'd have to take it - I cannot threaten them with anything.
BUT - if every pilot goes in together - suddenly we have COMPARABLE STANDING - they can lock us out, we can shut the place down.
D. THEREFORE, unions are the only way for large companies to have a valid, enforceable contract with their workers, i.e. the free market's "bargained-for exchange." Anything else is simple coercion.
QED.
"I get it. I pay you for an hour-and-a-half; you clear out after half-an-hour. That's socialism."
"No, no Mr. Fawlty. That's the free market!"
HUCK'S THIRTY-SECOND EXPLANATION OF UNIONS v. THE FREE-MARKET
A. The free market consists of bargained-for exchanges, written down as contracts.
B. A "contract" is a legal document that requires five things to be valid:
- Offer
- Acceptance
- Consideration
- Capacity to contract
- Comparable standing
( "Comparable Standing" means both parties have relatively equal power; that the contract is not coercive. Someone can hold a gun to your head and make you sign a document, but that document is not a binding contract.)
C. Unions provide comparable standing between labor and management.
If I went in to negotiate a better deal by myself, the company would laugh - they could fire me and have a guy in my seat in 20 minutes. Likewise, they could call me and cut my pay 50% and I'd have to take it - I cannot threaten them with anything.
BUT - if every pilot goes in together - suddenly we have COMPARABLE STANDING - they can lock us out, we can shut the place down.
D. THEREFORE, unions are the only way for large companies to have a valid, enforceable contract with their workers, i.e. the free market's "bargained-for exchange." Anything else is simple coercion.
QED.
Last edited by Huck; 01-29-2009 at 03:57 AM.
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