Amen bro! Roberto, don't come to ONT either! LOL!

What I don't understand is how the co. keeps up with all this training. I mean, it seems like just yesterday they displaced all the crews off the 747 classic. What the??????

You're kidding right ? !

:p


I think of it as mid-level management JOB SECURITY. THe more training events they can create in a year, the more need and justification for "managers" as trainers.

Etc, etc ...

:D

It sure is!

I wonder why the hell I came here in the first place! Even before age 65, they were already displacing people. (think 727)

I'm on my 4th airline, and this is the only place I've EVER moved backwards (every 3 or 4 months!!!). So much for coming to UPS for "stability".

What a joke!!

Can I get a do-over?

It was mentioned. Here is what I would support:

Work Till(the percentage would be subtracted off your final pension numbers):
60-61 - 3%
61-62 - 7%
62-63 -15%
63-64 -30 %
64-65 - 40%

You may think that is harsh. If you think about it though its not really. Just think that the guy/gal that does this till 65 will not live long enough to really have a retirement. They will have all the "extra" money sitting around in their B fund / 401k.

Any takers?

I doubt it. They have all convinced themselves that they are gonna live to be 100 and REALLY "need" the money.

Is my sarcasm light bright enough???:eek:

To those who disparage the over 60 crowd, if its any consolation, alot of these guys lost a ton of cash in the market/retirement accounts, The ultimate irony is if they had retired at age 60 they would probably have much more cash in their retirement accounts then they'll have when they retire at 65!! due to the m:eek:arket crash. So they are working for nothing, cept some benefits...Ironic

They've got no one to blame but themselves if they were that heavy in higher risk securities (read greedy) in the market at their age.

I get a good laugh at all the guys bashing the over 60 crowd, the guy with and ex wife or high expenses. No one knows what's round the corner for them. Do you "know" their stories?? I am still a young guy and already divorced, not by choice. Just about had my house paid off, no credit cards and car debt. Well ... that all changed. I think we are all quick to point fingers at members in our group and apply labels, cast stones. No one is immune from drawing the wrong card at the wrong time. The laws changed, a contract is in place (which somehow we voted in). Let's live by it and allow people to run their program within the guidelines of what the FAA, the company and the union have put in place. Guys want/need to fly over 60, not my cup of tea ... but we are not in their shoes. Be careful casting the first stone, you may be on the receiving end someday ...

Sure! The door is right over there...don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.

I'm not bashing them for bad luck, divorces, etc. Things happen. However, I don't have sympathy if their excuse is the market tanked because they chose to risk a chunk of change for a greater return instead of being more conservative approaching the golden years.