Lester,

I think you are trying to hard to read something into this bid that's not there. The system is set up so that the most senior guys get to bid for what they want (this time they were F/E's aged 60+ and some very JR F/E's).

Next will come the bumps from the DC8 front seaters wedging themselves in where they can hold. The results of that wedging in will be the most JR ANC F/O's will get to plumb the mighty Ocho. The exact number will be plus or minus a few of how many over 60 F/E's took front seats.

As far as reading something into this the company is using the contract and their ability to influence the outcome of the bid process to get the most JR guys onto the panel.

If the company were to furlough right now they would hamstring themselves in ANC. They aren't stupid and won't do that so the next thing to do to prepare for the F word possibility is to coral the JR folks onto the panel and play the wait and see game. A couple of posts prior to this Roberto published where the JR guys were sitting. Study that, it's good intel as to why the company is doing what they are doing.

Once again the above post is my opine and reflects nothing onto UPS, the IPA or any Bush living, dead or burning...

Biff

Not sure what Roberto's numbers are all about...they give summary of the Christmas Bid - not the reality of 13 days from now.

Again, from the Manpower office (with bids as of today)...
~2606 most jr fo in sdf
~2620 most jr fo in ont
~bottom 100 on the panel

If you've been hired anytime recently, these are all that matter. Beyond the bottom 100, ANC becomes the hamstring.

Sooner the eight dies ... sooner the Wallyworld Greeter job goes away. That's as effective, if not more, than anyone throwing F bombs around.

Did MP tell you that? I had figured it differently as to go more than the bottom 70ish people would result in ANC getting smaller. I sit 85 and WANT to be an FE so I am watching closely. I don't think I will get my wish as too many people senior to me will take the panel over the commute. Amazes me you can't down bid at this company.

Please tell me your 831 choice in the system bid is higher than any xx5 bids. You won't get it unless you bid it. If you're 85 from the bottom, you're not in the 2836+ corral.

Manpower again confirmed today that if your number was 2836+ that you're on the panel. This is based on today's data that 12 guys who can bid FO are choosing to bid FE. Of course, bids will change, and 2836 will move up or down a few spots.

As far as bidding down, they would love to send you to FE if you did not take the move package to ANC previously. There is a large number of folks in the 2836 +/- range that DID take the package--UPS does not want to pay 50g's to move each of them again if they can avoid it.

Like he said...my conversation w/ MP was aimed at specifics for the 2606 and 2620 numbers. I was speaking in general terms about the 'bottom 100' on the panel, to which MP nodded in agreement. I guess it'll come close for you (with last minute changes and people weighing $ v quality of life).

FWIW People have been trapped ever since the shrinkage/displacements began w/ the parking of the 727 two and a half years ago - you haven't been alone.

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According to the latest bid pack I am 2822. That puts me in the bottom 100. What your second paragraph says sums up what I had kinda figured out. That leaves me in ANC.

What difference does it make if 831 is my first choice? It isn't. I would rather be an FO in SDF. 831 is on my bid though. I was always taught to bid what I want, not what I think I will get. From what I have seen at UPS, more UPSers bid what they think they will get than at any airline I have seen.

Down bidding, the rules were made long before this moving package problem came to light. I would have saved them some moving expenses in the first place if they hadn't displaced me to ANC. I offered. Union told me no. Had it explained to me but it simply made no sense to me. Oh well, I am fine with whatever. I like my paycheck every 14 days and will not complain :).

Doesn't have to be your first choice. Just has to be higher than any ANC choice (725/125).

I was oversearved last night and was a tad slow. Yes, no doubt there.

I understand what you are saying, however, that is why we have a contract. We have to force UPS to follow it, even if the situation doesn't work for us personally. (No need to say that UPS already doesn't follow the contract - that much is obvious.) I understand your pain, albeit not the commute to ANC. That has really got to $uck! :eek: