UPS Commuters to ANC
02-12-2009 | 07:37 AM
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UPS Commuters to ANC
The chief pilots office in anc is daily tracking those who commute in and operate out in the same day. I don't know what they are doing with this info but beware.
I understand that fedex anc will pull guys off of trips with no pay if they do it. Even if they don't ever go this far, they will try to throw this info back into our faces when we try to negotiate better duty limits or get rid of what we fought to get now. Not to mention, some of the guys who do this show the effects of being up forever and then trying to be alert to make a crossing. Especially for those "advanced" pilots who take a long time to recover.
I understand that fedex anc will pull guys off of trips with no pay if they do it. Even if they don't ever go this far, they will try to throw this info back into our faces when we try to negotiate better duty limits or get rid of what we fought to get now. Not to mention, some of the guys who do this show the effects of being up forever and then trying to be alert to make a crossing. Especially for those "advanced" pilots who take a long time to recover.
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02-12-2009 | 07:42 AM
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The chief pilots office in anc is daily tracking those who commute in and operate out in the same day. I don't know what they are doing with this info but beware.
I understand that fedex anc will pull guys off of trips with no pay if they do it. Even if they don't ever go this far, they will try to throw to throw this info back into our faces when we try to negotiate better duty limits or get rid of what we fought to get now. Not to mention, some of the guys who do this show the effects of being up forever and then trying to be alert to make a crossing. Especially for those "advanced" pilots who take a long time to recover.
I understand that fedex anc will pull guys off of trips with no pay if they do it. Even if they don't ever go this far, they will try to throw to throw this info back into our faces when we try to negotiate better duty limits or get rid of what we fought to get now. Not to mention, some of the guys who do this show the effects of being up forever and then trying to be alert to make a crossing. Especially for those "advanced" pilots who take a long time to recover.
02-12-2009 | 07:47 AM
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"They are laying the groundwork for carpet dances should someone be late for a show-time, or reserve period. Unless a plane gets scratched they have little or no concern for much else. I don't have the stones to do that for a working leg, although I do consider it for a DH."
Or the next time someone tries to take-off without the flaps set.... Fatigue is dangerous. I'll look closely at the people that I fly with.
Or the next time someone tries to take-off without the flaps set.... Fatigue is dangerous. I'll look closely at the people that I fly with.
02-12-2009 | 08:00 AM
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"They are laying the groundwork for carpet dances should someone be late for a show-time, or reserve period. Unless a plane gets scratched they have little or no concern for much else. I don't have the stones to do that for a working leg, although I do consider it for a DH."
Or the next time someone tries to take-off without the flaps set.... Fatigue is dangerous. I'll look closely at the people that I fly with.
Or the next time someone tries to take-off without the flaps set.... Fatigue is dangerous. I'll look closely at the people that I fly with.
02-12-2009 | 08:11 AM
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Then should the company start to say that DH doesn't count as duty time....If everyone is getting such good rest, maybe they should start to schedule seven hour DH's followed by 10 hour crossings. Why not? That is what you are showing them. It is safe...it is should be common practice.....right? DH in the bunk should be off duty resst like the hotel room...right?
To each his own...... Right. Nothing that you do could affect your crew.
To each his own...... Right. Nothing that you do could affect your crew.
02-12-2009 | 08:41 AM
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No, what I'm saying is what I do on my time is my business. I know guys that have kids that are better rested on the road than when at home. Know your body and what you need to be ready to do your job properly.
02-12-2009 | 08:45 AM
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Then should the company start to say that DH doesn't count as duty time....If everyone is getting such good rest, maybe they should start to schedule seven hour DH's followed by 10 hour crossings. Why not? That is what you are showing them. It is safe...it is should be common practice.....right? DH in the bunk should be off duty resst like the hotel room...right?
To each his own...... Right. Nothing that you do could affect your crew.
To each his own...... Right. Nothing that you do could affect your crew.
But I have to say that all these arguments that the company is collecting data to be used later... though may be true... its the UNIONS job to stand up and say... tough! we have to plan for the guys that can't do that safely... and so do you!
Have some faith in the union... They are Us.
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02-12-2009 | 08:45 AM
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Then should the company start to say that DH doesn't count as duty time....If everyone is getting such good rest, maybe they should start to schedule seven hour DH's followed by 10 hour crossings. Why not? That is what you are showing them. It is safe...it is should be common practice.....right? DH in the bunk should be off duty resst like the hotel room...right?
To each his own...... Right. Nothing that you do could affect your crew.
To each his own...... Right. Nothing that you do could affect your crew.
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02-12-2009 | 09:58 AM
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It is probably better to look at it a little differently, lets say someone who lives in domicile, to make the point. We never plan on heading in with only two hours sleep due to kid sick, family or friend that their heat goes out and you run over to help and it last forever, or even spouses car won't start and you are at Wal-Mart till 10 pm and finally get it all taken care of and can get some sleep.
We don't ever plan for this to happen but every once in a blue moon it does. Same goes for commuters. Every once in a blue moon, due to unforeseen circumstances DH in and operate out.
The troublesome ones are the ones that make it routine. These are generally the ones who look 15 yrs older than they are. Lets just be smart.
We don't ever plan for this to happen but every once in a blue moon it does. Same goes for commuters. Every once in a blue moon, due to unforeseen circumstances DH in and operate out.
The troublesome ones are the ones that make it routine. These are generally the ones who look 15 yrs older than they are. Lets just be smart.
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