09-201 is out
02-23-2009, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TipTip35
... It appears to me that the bottom 100 guys are probably in the FE seat now (is that right Roberto?)...
02-23-2009, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
And 09-201 is what?
We get those once a year or so just so the training department can stay busy with new training events... We are creating jobs! It's the Brown version of a bailout package...
02-23-2009, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
And 09-201 is what?
02-23-2009, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Roberto
The award from Displacement Bid 09-201. There were 46 DC8 CPT, 7 ONT CPT, and 21 DC8 FO primary displacements, and too many to count secondary displacements.
) but I'm glad you got what you were hoping for...
02-23-2009, 05:02 PM
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It's the bottom 69 in the FE seat now--#70 from the bottom in the company is now a 400 FO. Plus about 16 more who chose lower 48 displacement to FE vs an ANC FO commute. Then of course there are those that could have held FO in ANC but chose to stay in the FE seat. Clear as mud?
I counted 268 training events created by this displacement (minus whoever hasn't been out of their seat long enough for retraining). See y'all at the training center.
I counted 268 training events created by this displacement (minus whoever hasn't been out of their seat long enough for retraining). See y'all at the training center.
02-23-2009, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TipTip35
I'm sure I'll be corrected if my train of thinking is off but I really dont see what Brown has to lose by furloughing. It appears to me that the bottom 100 guys are probably in the FE seat now (is that right Roberto?). It also appears that the company has about 138 FEs now and only needs about 30-40 (based on DC8 CA and FO #s). That sounds to me like guarantee pay, healthcare, and benefits for about 100 guys that are sitting at home and going to have to be retrained at some point anyway. In addition what good are all those extra FEs if you cant pair them with CAs and FOs to build crews.
Basically, I dont think the whole "it takes two years to break even from a furlough" applies anymore. I think that applied before these last two bids went through and the bottom guys were spread out. Now that we have been reshuffled to put the bottom 100 in a seat where the company doesnt need them they have nothing to lose by sending out a 90 day notice tomorrow.
The only positive option I can think of is that they dont want to deal with an open time ban or how a furlough would appear to customers and investors so they decided to put us in the cheapest seat.
I hope I'm wrong and I'm not trying to be an alarmist. I'm part of that bottom 100 and it seems to me that we're costing them more to be on property than off...
Basically, I dont think the whole "it takes two years to break even from a furlough" applies anymore. I think that applied before these last two bids went through and the bottom guys were spread out. Now that we have been reshuffled to put the bottom 100 in a seat where the company doesnt need them they have nothing to lose by sending out a 90 day notice tomorrow.
The only positive option I can think of is that they dont want to deal with an open time ban or how a furlough would appear to customers and investors so they decided to put us in the cheapest seat.
I hope I'm wrong and I'm not trying to be an alarmist. I'm part of that bottom 100 and it seems to me that we're costing them more to be on property than off...
02-23-2009, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TipTip35
I'm sure I'll be corrected if my train of thinking is off but I really dont see what Brown has to lose by furloughing. It appears to me that the bottom 100 guys are probably in the FE seat now (is that right Roberto?). It also appears that the company has about 138 FEs now and only needs about 30-40 (based on DC8 CA and FO #s). That sounds to me like guarantee pay, healthcare, and benefits for about 100 guys that are sitting at home and going to have to be retrained at some point anyway. In addition what good are all those extra FEs if you cant pair them with CAs and FOs to build crews.
Basically, I dont think the whole "it takes two years to break even from a furlough" applies anymore. I think that applied before these last two bids went through and the bottom guys were spread out. Now that we have been reshuffled to put the bottom 100 in a seat where the company doesnt need them they have nothing to lose by sending out a 90 day notice tomorrow.
The only positive option I can think of is that they dont want to deal with an open time ban or how a furlough would appear to customers and investors so they decided to put us in the cheapest seat.
I hope I'm wrong and I'm not trying to be an alarmist. I'm part of that bottom 100 and it seems to me that we're costing them more to be on property than off...
Basically, I dont think the whole "it takes two years to break even from a furlough" applies anymore. I think that applied before these last two bids went through and the bottom guys were spread out. Now that we have been reshuffled to put the bottom 100 in a seat where the company doesnt need them they have nothing to lose by sending out a 90 day notice tomorrow.
The only positive option I can think of is that they dont want to deal with an open time ban or how a furlough would appear to customers and investors so they decided to put us in the cheapest seat.
I hope I'm wrong and I'm not trying to be an alarmist. I'm part of that bottom 100 and it seems to me that we're costing them more to be on property than off...
I still say that 4/2/09 is the key date. A furlough will happen before then or not at all. I think the economy will turn by this summer and the company plans on using the DC-8 FEs to fill the vacancies created by the new 767s coming. We are working our tails off on the A300 with many lines well over 75 hours. They are attempting to do a lot more with less airplanes.
