AFW_MD11

My point was that whomever you decide to call (or not call) discussing the details on this forum is probably not a good idea.

As for your question of "why should anyone trust the Union?"......The message from CB (email?) has a link to the "settlement agreement" letter posted on the ALPA web site. It is signed by CB and LK (of the company).

So.....unless ALPA is now creating forged documents and forging management signatures (ala Dan Rather and the crack CBS news organization) and posting them on the ALPA web site.....and then lying directly to the membership over the phone regarding said agreement......this is an ACTUAL deal signed by the company and the union.

I have talked directly with CB - had a LOT of the same questions that I asked him directly - over the phone - regarding who alerted who to what and why all this was happening in the first place - etc.

He answered ALL my questions directly, and what I believe to be truthfully.

I have talked directly with several other pilots affected by this - who have also talked directly with CB after his email came out.

I'm reasonably assured that this is not a hoax that is being perpetrated by ALPA against it's own membership.

But then again.....I'm convinced that Oswald was the lone gunman in Dallas that day too......

I repeat again - call or don't call whomever you choose to in order to discuss this matter in private - but probably not in anyone's best interest to post details of anything anyone has done or might do on this forum.

darby78

Trust the union? Seriously? After the last 2 years? I wouldn't trust either side on this issue (or most other issues for that matter). Where IS the word from the company on this? I agree that something smells funny here.... Independent counsel seems like good advice.
Thanks for the heads up FEXFNG (although I don't trust you either )

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iarapilot

You have a valid point. My point was it was nice to be made aware of the BS politics behind the scenes.

AFW_MD11

that's a good point too. awareness of the BS that's going on is definitely a plus - everyone affected by this needs to be made aware and act accordingly.

take it all with a grain of salt though - even "first-hand" knowledge of the behind the scenes info can get miscommunicated (both intentionally and unintentionally at times)

just no need to post details on here (whether factual or rumored to be true) that might potentially compromise someone or a group of someones' options going forward.

AFW_MD11

correction:

what I heard was that the "touching of the shwanses" occurred AFTER the amnesty program was created - sort of as a salute to the accomplishment

FR8Hauler

What you did not read the email from ALPA about what a great job our former union rep now turned ACP is doing? What a crock. We also have a bunch of LCA's (who are technicaly management pilots) who work for ALPA too. How does that work?

P Gibbons

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Chainsaw

Well shoot, I already spent my money on a new bass boat! It has on of those cool foot controlled trolling motors. I guess I could give free rides to guys who didn't get any money......

fecav8r

Yeah, I read that. I found it very interesting that a Union Committee chairman would give kudos to a member of management. Especially in these times when the two sides haven't touched pee pees very often. I was told by our current MEC Chairman that it was unconscionable that a pilot would be a member of management. Man, how times have changed. I wonder how that "kinder, gentler, more business like" Union-Management thing is working out.

LivingInMEM

As long as parties to the specific cases are not participating in this discussion, I see no reason why it can't be aired in public. As no participating parties are involved, nothing posted by a third party can be held against anyone involved.

The way I see it, the more this stuff gets aired out, the better we'll all be.