09-02 is FINAL!
03-20-2009 | 04:08 AM
#31
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From: 767 FO
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "B-777 pay rate grievance" isn't a grievance at all - merely the process (outlined in our CBA - 26.K.) by which the company and the union agree on a pay rate for new aircraft.
I'm pretty sure this process, with respect to the 777 pay rates, is still ongoing.
Exactly. So, could a member of The Proponents of Hysteria please explain why we are crucifying guys who bid it?
Do any of us KNOW the details of the supposed "tentative agreement" on the 777 pay rates? or are we ASS-U-Me-ing (again) that it must be a secretly/outrageously/phenomenally good deal, or DW wouldn't be bidding it.
Has anyone here called and/or emailed anyone in the union to ask the question regarding the terms of the 777 TA?
or, is it just more fun to crucify DW or "outgoing block reps" that bid the 777 anonymously on this web forum? 'cause I'm down with that too.....let's just be honest about it......I enjoy reading an anonymous holier-than-thou crucifixion in writing with the best of 'em.
Maybe you should call him and ask him directly? It's rumored that he actually has an office phone (and email) that works, and he actually talks to people on it.
I'm pretty sure this process, with respect to the 777 pay rates, is still ongoing.
Exactly. So, could a member of The Proponents of Hysteria please explain why we are crucifying guys who bid it?
Do any of us KNOW the details of the supposed "tentative agreement" on the 777 pay rates? or are we ASS-U-Me-ing (again) that it must be a secretly/outrageously/phenomenally good deal, or DW wouldn't be bidding it.
Has anyone here called and/or emailed anyone in the union to ask the question regarding the terms of the 777 TA?
or, is it just more fun to crucify DW or "outgoing block reps" that bid the 777 anonymously on this web forum? 'cause I'm down with that too.....let's just be honest about it......I enjoy reading an anonymous holier-than-thou crucifixion in writing with the best of 'em.
Maybe you should call him and ask him directly? It's rumored that he actually has an office phone (and email) that works, and he actually talks to people on it.
My comment about the outgoing block rep E Mail was intended to show my displeasure with an outgoing block rep using union resources to (subtly) endorse the current block of MEC officers during an election cycle when 2 of the 3 are looking to "move up". Nothing wrong him with using his position to make the endorsement; nothing wrong with me chiding him for it.
As far as contacting DW, I heard he was unavailable in NZ. My personal opinion of who DW was looking out for did not change when I saw his name on the 777 list. I figured out who the last administration was looking out for after the over 53 veba details dribbled out, nothing since has changed that.
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03-20-2009 | 05:27 AM
#32
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From: Window Seat -- Left Side
Fear, Confusion, Manipulation... Satisfaction
Ladies and Gents,
Once again, I find the manipulation of our pilot group and union reps to be both hilarious and tragic at the same time.
Watching our union "defend the profession" during negotiations of a CBA, an LOA, or a grievance is like watching a train wreck and expecting a different result. Or a cat playing with a wounded, blind mouse.
Why do you think an EXCESS BID AND A VACANCY BID happened concurrently? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Answer --Fear, Confusion, and Manipulation of the pilot group.
Guess what? It worked again. You may not have high regard for PC and his minions, but they whipped our butts -- AGAIN! Hilarious, but I'm not laughing. As much as I'd hate to actually see it, PC is probably doing the moonwalk in his office after this round of bids. Side note -- after they review the actual costs, another round of manipulations will occur. Prepare for another round of beatings until morale improves.
I've been a longtime union member and true believer in ALPA's necessity here at FedEx. The problems we face really boil down to the inability of our leaders and members to overcome personal greed -- to achieve a desired outcome.
We have had COUNTLESS opportunities to prove our worth and value to the corporation by exercising our collective muscle (legally). That takes determined, focused, intense leadership and a membership with the resolve and backbone to support them up.
Other pilot groups have these traits:
WE DO NOT AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL.
If there was ever a period in our collective history where new effective leadership is required, it is now.
NO INCUMBENTS -- ONLY NEW LEADERSHIP ON THE MEC
PROFESSIONAL NEGOTIATORS NEEDED BADLY
Once again, I find the manipulation of our pilot group and union reps to be both hilarious and tragic at the same time.
Watching our union "defend the profession" during negotiations of a CBA, an LOA, or a grievance is like watching a train wreck and expecting a different result. Or a cat playing with a wounded, blind mouse.
Why do you think an EXCESS BID AND A VACANCY BID happened concurrently? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Answer --Fear, Confusion, and Manipulation of the pilot group.
Guess what? It worked again. You may not have high regard for PC and his minions, but they whipped our butts -- AGAIN! Hilarious, but I'm not laughing. As much as I'd hate to actually see it, PC is probably doing the moonwalk in his office after this round of bids. Side note -- after they review the actual costs, another round of manipulations will occur. Prepare for another round of beatings until morale improves.
I've been a longtime union member and true believer in ALPA's necessity here at FedEx. The problems we face really boil down to the inability of our leaders and members to overcome personal greed -- to achieve a desired outcome.
We have had COUNTLESS opportunities to prove our worth and value to the corporation by exercising our collective muscle (legally). That takes determined, focused, intense leadership and a membership with the resolve and backbone to support them up.
Other pilot groups have these traits:
WE DO NOT AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL.
If there was ever a period in our collective history where new effective leadership is required, it is now.
NO INCUMBENTS -- ONLY NEW LEADERSHIP ON THE MEC
PROFESSIONAL NEGOTIATORS NEEDED BADLY
03-20-2009 | 07:39 AM
#33
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From: "Part of the problem." : JL
03-20-2009 | 08:05 AM
#34
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>> No Incumbents -- Only New Leadership On The Mec<<
Sorta like "no more Geo. Bush clones. I want everyone removed and new, clean slate. I'll vote for Obama, not because he is/isn't qualified or because I embrace his idiology but because I am ****ed at the old regime and want a new one. That approach to decision making always serves us well. Just as some of you are concerned about our union leadership, I am just as concerned about the rank and file. They have to go together - a synergistic relationship. From all the emotion I read here, neither side is ready for prime time.
Sorta like "no more Geo. Bush clones. I want everyone removed and new, clean slate. I'll vote for Obama, not because he is/isn't qualified or because I embrace his idiology but because I am ****ed at the old regime and want a new one. That approach to decision making always serves us well. Just as some of you are concerned about our union leadership, I am just as concerned about the rank and file. They have to go together - a synergistic relationship. From all the emotion I read here, neither side is ready for prime time.
03-21-2009 | 07:13 AM
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From: Gear Monkey
Is it me, or are there a lot of people being excessed to the left seat in Hong Kong. I was led to believe that this couldn't happen. For me I got excessed to the left seat of the 757 and was not at all expecting that. On all previous practice bids I was going to the 727. What did I do wrong?
Is there anyone junior to you in the 727 Capt seat on the final Bid Percentages list?
03-21-2009 | 08:59 AM
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From: MD11 First Officer
It is no wonder our country is going down the tubes with logic like that!
03-21-2009 | 05:43 PM
#37
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From: Window Seat -- Left Side
>> No Incumbents -- Only New Leadership On The Mec<<
Sorta like "no more Geo. Bush clones. I want everyone removed and new, clean slate. I'll vote for Obama, not because he is/isn't qualified or because I embrace his idiology but because I am ****ed at the old regime and want a new one. That approach to decision making always serves us well. Just as some of you are concerned about our union leadership, I am just as concerned about the rank and file. They have to go together - a synergistic relationship. From all the emotion I read here, neither side is ready for prime time.
Sorta like "no more Geo. Bush clones. I want everyone removed and new, clean slate. I'll vote for Obama, not because he is/isn't qualified or because I embrace his idiology but because I am ****ed at the old regime and want a new one. That approach to decision making always serves us well. Just as some of you are concerned about our union leadership, I am just as concerned about the rank and file. They have to go together - a synergistic relationship. From all the emotion I read here, neither side is ready for prime time.
Anyone with previous MEC experience interested in the top three leadership positions had an opportunity to be part of a successful solution to many of the issues we face on the property. Guess what? They were part of the problem, not the solution. Prime example -- HKG LOA -- only 1 guy had the ballzz to vote against the pathetic language in that LOA. The other 11 are just yes-men with a lack of independent thought. You want one of those guys in the top three?
Our representation and negotiating models are broken and need fixin' brother.
Who do you want at the table when the company goes after concessions at the next round of contract negotiations? Concessions for pay, vacation, and retirement (B Fund) are key areas to consider.
Can I get an "Amen, brothers and sistas?"
Looking forward to your comments.
NKA
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03-21-2009 | 05:54 PM
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Ok, let's hear your BETTER ideas. ALPA national financial backing, E&FA, legal, etc. is certainly a positive, but the current negotiating model is broken. Tell us some recent success stories that truly benefitted the pilot group in the industry and specifically at FDX. The 48/60 contract provision is a joke and so is the HKG LOA. The recent FAA decision to back off extended rest for ULR ops is also pathetic -- where was the ALPA PAC on that one? The rest of the contract is acceptable to me for the most part as is.
Anyone with previous MEC experience interested in the top three leadership positions had an opportunity to be part of a successful solution to many of the issues we face on the property. Guess what? They were part of the problem, not the solution. Prime example -- HKG LOA -- only 1 guy had the ballzz to vote against the pathetic language in that LOA. The other 11 are just yes-men with a lack of independent thought. You want one of those guys in the top three?
Our representation and negotiating models are broken and need fixin' brother.
Who do you want at the table when the company goes after concessions at the next round of contract negotiations? Concessions for pay, vacation, and retirement (B Fund) are key areas to consider.
Looking forward to your comments.
NKA
Anyone with previous MEC experience interested in the top three leadership positions had an opportunity to be part of a successful solution to many of the issues we face on the property. Guess what? They were part of the problem, not the solution. Prime example -- HKG LOA -- only 1 guy had the ballzz to vote against the pathetic language in that LOA. The other 11 are just yes-men with a lack of independent thought. You want one of those guys in the top three?
Our representation and negotiating models are broken and need fixin' brother.
Who do you want at the table when the company goes after concessions at the next round of contract negotiations? Concessions for pay, vacation, and retirement (B Fund) are key areas to consider.
Looking forward to your comments.
NKA
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