FDX O-hub turn meeting
05-04-2009, 07:04 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by Cooter
Well Busboy (and others), I apparently didn't understand. Everything you said contradicts what I've been told during my tenure here. And if the ACPs are saying to book business when JSing in for a trip, that's all I need. But, I am curious--when would we ever want to book staging status other than outside 3 days of a trip footprint? Also, as Adler asked previously, is any of this ROE written down in some JS guide?
Thanks all for the enlightenment.
Thanks all for the enlightenment.
The reason for booking "staging" is under the current ROE you are only protected under the MEM only
"No Harm No Foul" policy if the jumpseat was booked as "staging" (again the literal interpretation of what is written in the contract and not what was intended). I think this is what "O" was talking about looking into.
05-04-2009, 07:51 AM
#42
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My crystal ball says the more we complain about the business js option, the sooner our ability to use it will be further restricted or taken away.
I don't think js admin is losing their iron grip on the program. The ACPs are simply trying to keep our current rights in place. They want us to get to work AND avoid any trouble with the js people.
Be careful what you ask for, js admin may just fix this "problem" for us.
I don't think js admin is losing their iron grip on the program. The ACPs are simply trying to keep our current rights in place. They want us to get to work AND avoid any trouble with the js people.
Be careful what you ask for, js admin may just fix this "problem" for us.
05-04-2009, 10:36 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by Gunter
My crystal ball says the more we complain about the business js option, the sooner our ability to use it will be further restricted or taken away.
I don't think js admin is losing their iron grip on the program. The ACPs are simply trying to keep our current rights in place. They want us to get to work AND avoid any trouble with the js people.
Be careful what you ask for, js admin may just fix this "problem" for us.
I don't think js admin is losing their iron grip on the program. The ACPs are simply trying to keep our current rights in place. They want us to get to work AND avoid any trouble with the js people.
Be careful what you ask for, js admin may just fix this "problem" for us.
05-04-2009, 12:34 PM
#44
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Just book business (unless you really need that no-harm-no-foul Memphis-ONLY "protection"). ALPA knows about this issue, the company knows, but nobody will clarify it in writing (except one ACP in the form of an email which is authority enough for me). The solution is mired with negotiation issues so don't get your hopes up that this will be resolved anytime soon.
Just book business. It's that simple. I agree, the more we whine about this to management, the sooner it's going to get hosed up even further.
Just book business. It's that simple. I agree, the more we whine about this to management, the sooner it's going to get hosed up even further.
05-05-2009, 09:35 AM
#45
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first timer... a little researched turned up:
This was in the contract as an attached letter:
FCIF 99-067
Date:Wednesday, 19 May 1999To:FCIF-G-AdminFrom:FCIF/ADMINSubject:BUSINESS JUMPSEATS - UPDATE
FCIF:99-067ISSUE DATE:05/19/99SUSPENSE:07/31/99APPROVED BY
an VentreSOURCE:Ed Bradley
Inadvertently some confusion was created last week in an FCIF on this same subject. With the contract implementation very near we will relate this information solely for contract purposes.
Business Status While Deviating (Section 8.C.1.i.)
If a pilot meets the deviating provisions of the contract and chooses to use a company jumpseat in lieu of buying an airline ticket as a deviation expense then the use of the company jumpseat in Business Status is permitted. For example, air travel is a valid deviation expense if it begins or ends within 3 days of a scheduled assignment to which a pilot is deviating (e.g., scheduled deadhead, trip or R-day), if the jumpseat was in this same time period, it is valid.
If the pilot is jumpseating outside this time period, the use of the business jumpseat would not be appropriate. If a pilot qualifies for the "Staging" jumpseat, then that is an altogether different situation. "Staging" is a status an employee may use to travel to and from his/her home city and domicile/base. If a pilot lives, as an example, in Florida and is based in Memphis, he may use Staging to travel between the FedEx station closest to his home and MEM. The Permanent Home Address in PRISM is used to determine staging eligibility.
If you have any questions about eligibility for a business jumpseat on a company airplane, call your Assistant Chief Pilot.
FCIF 99-067
Date:Wednesday, 19 May 1999To:FCIF-G-AdminFrom:FCIF/ADMINSubject:BUSINESS JUMPSEATS - UPDATE
FCIF:99-067ISSUE DATE:05/19/99SUSPENSE:07/31/99APPROVED BY
an VentreSOURCE:Ed BradleyInadvertently some confusion was created last week in an FCIF on this same subject. With the contract implementation very near we will relate this information solely for contract purposes.
Business Status While Deviating (Section 8.C.1.i.)
- A pilot who deviates is considered to be on business travel (and shall be afforded all rights and benefits as such) while traveling under the provisions of this Section.
- A pilot may book a Company jumpseat as all or part of his deviation travel. A pilot booking a jumpseat for the purpose of a deviation shall be considered in business jumpseat status.
If a pilot meets the deviating provisions of the contract and chooses to use a company jumpseat in lieu of buying an airline ticket as a deviation expense then the use of the company jumpseat in Business Status is permitted. For example, air travel is a valid deviation expense if it begins or ends within 3 days of a scheduled assignment to which a pilot is deviating (e.g., scheduled deadhead, trip or R-day), if the jumpseat was in this same time period, it is valid.
If the pilot is jumpseating outside this time period, the use of the business jumpseat would not be appropriate. If a pilot qualifies for the "Staging" jumpseat, then that is an altogether different situation. "Staging" is a status an employee may use to travel to and from his/her home city and domicile/base. If a pilot lives, as an example, in Florida and is based in Memphis, he may use Staging to travel between the FedEx station closest to his home and MEM. The Permanent Home Address in PRISM is used to determine staging eligibility.
If you have any questions about eligibility for a business jumpseat on a company airplane, call your Assistant Chief Pilot.
05-05-2009, 10:28 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Goose17
This was in the contract as an attached letter:
FCIF 99-067
Date:Wednesday, 19 May 1999To:FCIF-G-AdminFrom:FCIF/ADMINSubject:BUSINESS JUMPSEATS - UPDATE
FCIF:99-067ISSUE DATE:05/19/99SUSPENSE:07/31/99APPROVED BYan VentreSOURCE:Ed Bradley
Inadvertently some confusion was created last week in an FCIF on this same subject. With the contract implementation very near we will relate this information solely for contract purposes.
Business Status While Deviating (Section 8.C.1.i.)
If a pilot meets the deviating provisions of the contract and chooses to use a company jumpseat in lieu of buying an airline ticket as a deviation expense then the use of the company jumpseat in Business Status is permitted. For example, air travel is a valid deviation expense if it begins or ends within 3 days of a scheduled assignment to which a pilot is deviating (e.g., scheduled deadhead, trip or R-day), if the jumpseat was in this same time period, it is valid.
If the pilot is jumpseating outside this time period, the use of the business jumpseat would not be appropriate. If a pilot qualifies for the "Staging" jumpseat, then that is an altogether different situation. "Staging" is a status an employee may use to travel to and from his/her home city and domicile/base. If a pilot lives, as an example, in Florida and is based in Memphis, he may use Staging to travel between the FedEx station closest to his home and MEM. The Permanent Home Address in PRISM is used to determine staging eligibility.
If you have any questions about eligibility for a business jumpseat on a company airplane, call your Assistant Chief Pilot.
FCIF 99-067
Date:Wednesday, 19 May 1999To:FCIF-G-AdminFrom:FCIF/ADMINSubject:BUSINESS JUMPSEATS - UPDATE
FCIF:99-067ISSUE DATE:05/19/99SUSPENSE:07/31/99APPROVED BY
an VentreSOURCE:Ed BradleyInadvertently some confusion was created last week in an FCIF on this same subject. With the contract implementation very near we will relate this information solely for contract purposes.
Business Status While Deviating (Section 8.C.1.i.)
- A pilot who deviates is considered to be on business travel (and shall be afforded all rights and benefits as such) while traveling under the provisions of this Section.
- A pilot may book a Company jumpseat as all or part of his deviation travel. A pilot booking a jumpseat for the purpose of a deviation shall be considered in business jumpseat status.
If a pilot meets the deviating provisions of the contract and chooses to use a company jumpseat in lieu of buying an airline ticket as a deviation expense then the use of the company jumpseat in Business Status is permitted. For example, air travel is a valid deviation expense if it begins or ends within 3 days of a scheduled assignment to which a pilot is deviating (e.g., scheduled deadhead, trip or R-day), if the jumpseat was in this same time period, it is valid.
If the pilot is jumpseating outside this time period, the use of the business jumpseat would not be appropriate. If a pilot qualifies for the "Staging" jumpseat, then that is an altogether different situation. "Staging" is a status an employee may use to travel to and from his/her home city and domicile/base. If a pilot lives, as an example, in Florida and is based in Memphis, he may use Staging to travel between the FedEx station closest to his home and MEM. The Permanent Home Address in PRISM is used to determine staging eligibility.
If you have any questions about eligibility for a business jumpseat on a company airplane, call your Assistant Chief Pilot.
Very old info no longer valid.
05-05-2009, 12:06 PM
#48
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Per former 727 ACP R*** T*** email dated 18AUG05. Note paragraph 2. This is the last jumpseat guidance we have received.
Since jumpseating is such an important part of our travel plans to/from work, I feel a few points need to be clarified to help you in your planning.
1. Cockpit jumpseats are still available to "staging" and "business" class jumpseating crewmembers, with the Captain's approval. No changes from before in getting the Captain's permission and notifying Jumpseat Administration.
2. Any crewmember jumpseating to/from trips within 3 days of those activities are allowed to book seats as "business". So, even though you may be jumpseating from Aunt Millie's home in Seattle to Memphis and your prism address is Bangor, ME, you may book and fly as a business class jumpseater. You must have an activity within 3 days of that travel.
3. Staging is travel to/from your prism listed address. You may list 2 staging airports if they are within 100nm of your prism address: JFK/EWR, ONT/LAX. On the flip side, if you live in Leavenworth, KS you may not list MCI and OMA.
These three items may be of some help when making plans with jumpseat administration until our personal jumpseat status is reinstated. Please be courteous and patient when dealing with our jumpseat receptionists. If you have a jumpseating issue, please contact your ACP for help.
R*** T***, B-727 ACP
Since jumpseating is such an important part of our travel plans to/from work, I feel a few points need to be clarified to help you in your planning.
1. Cockpit jumpseats are still available to "staging" and "business" class jumpseating crewmembers, with the Captain's approval. No changes from before in getting the Captain's permission and notifying Jumpseat Administration.
2. Any crewmember jumpseating to/from trips within 3 days of those activities are allowed to book seats as "business". So, even though you may be jumpseating from Aunt Millie's home in Seattle to Memphis and your prism address is Bangor, ME, you may book and fly as a business class jumpseater. You must have an activity within 3 days of that travel.
3. Staging is travel to/from your prism listed address. You may list 2 staging airports if they are within 100nm of your prism address: JFK/EWR, ONT/LAX. On the flip side, if you live in Leavenworth, KS you may not list MCI and OMA.
These three items may be of some help when making plans with jumpseat administration until our personal jumpseat status is reinstated. Please be courteous and patient when dealing with our jumpseat receptionists. If you have a jumpseating issue, please contact your ACP for help.
R*** T***, B-727 ACP
05-05-2009, 12:37 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by Goose17
Well, if it is out of date info then it should be removed from our contract!
Goose17
Goose17
It is not in the contract! If you are referring to the FCIF on the contract page on PFC - that is just something the company has placed on their website - that does not make it part of the contract. The FCIF you referenced had an expiration date and has not been renewed so it is no longer effective.
05-05-2009, 04:07 PM
#50
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So . . . how does the FCIF relating to internet charges with receipts required apply since they're under $25? The CBA says the Company will cover it, but JL wrote in an FCIF that a receipt is required. What's the expiration date of that FCIF? How did that FCIF modify the CBA?
We live by folklore. It would be nice if we could rely on what's written in the CBA. Unfortunately, only our side seems to be held accountable.
We live by folklore. It would be nice if we could rely on what's written in the CBA. Unfortunately, only our side seems to be held accountable.
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