Freightpuppy

Well now there's a great attitude.

It's like me saying going on the B&G makes me hate every senior guy.

MEMA300

Typical Baby Boomer attitude.

Buck92

I think I get it, I'm probably just dense: a lot of legacy guys (which I'm not) would tell you UPS has low hiring standards... maybe they're right.

I totally agree that flying past 60 is not only the law, but a contractual right. I have never commented otherwise, here or anywhere else. But to try to disconnect the top 100 guys staying (or coming back) with the bottom 300 guys potentially going, is more than borderline dishonest. Like it or not, the two are absolutely related. The smugness (which in some cases becomes gleefulness) of some of these guys in excercising this new right is a bit hard to take for those who are potentially about to be put on the street. Furthermore, denying that Age-60 (when it was in place) helped the same guys that removing it now helps is also dishonest. They certainly weren't pushing for it's removal when they were 35 and waiting to upgrade. Also linking some phantom $3000 /mo lost in a contract to "benefit" those about to be laid off, none of whom were on property to vote for/against, is equally ridiculous. Finally, making comments to the effect of "the bottom 300 guys are the ones who should volunteer -- it's their jobs at risk, not mine..." basically proves my thesis: people will volunteer only if it helps them personally (if it also helps a bottom 300 guy, well fine). For you to imply that you were going to volunteer for something until you came on here and got your feelings hurt by a post or two is disingenuous and juvenille. Maybe you just don't get it.

UPSFO4LIFE

Here is a question that I have. I want to sign up for the RGL program, but it states that you could get lines from 37.5 to a max of 60 hours. I have to plan my budget on a certain amount that I will get every month. I really can't afford to get paid 40 hours one month then 50 the next and maybe 37.5 the next. Can we not have RGL's that have a paid minimum such as 60 hours. I could really do something like that, but am going to have a hard time signing up for the program the way it is set up now. Am I wrong in reading this MOU correctly?

Freightpuppy

They did in 1988 but not when I got hired....tee hee

LakeLivin

Nicely Said! Stay focused folks...

Naven

Your not wrong. The reduced guarantee lines will probably pay the minimum 37.5 hours. Can you handle it for only one bid period?

Naven

Young guys blaming the old guys or old guys blaming the young guys has to stop. I was firmly against the age 65 change but that is now in the past, lets move on.

This MOU is hugely important not just for the 300 and everyone else it will effect, it is important to the effectiveness of the IPA as an organization. Read Bob Miller's letter from yesterday. The IPA has stuck their neck out with this MOU. If we can't get enough volunteers on board with this thing, not only will it tear apart any unity we have at the IPA it will show we are incompetent to UPS. That will be a recipe for contract disaster over the next 30 years.

If the furlough is going to effect you directly, give until it hurts. If you feel the furlough will not effect you consider doing something just for the unity of the IPA, because it will effect you over the long run.

Tigerpilot1995

Please remember that not all, in fact, most of the young guys are over it. I am in the bottom 300 and under 35 years of age and this is the last thing I complain about.

Peace
100% IPA

bifff15

757Cpt,
The majority of the bottom 300 are facing financial annihilation with few exceptions. Those that can escape back into the military or to another job will do so for security and stability (my guess) regardless of the MOU. For those that can't they are probably putting out resumes and battening down the hatches as there is a LARGE storm coming (STS) which will cause many of them to sell in a down market, move families, uproot kids from schools and find a job they most likely would never want to protect their families.
The IPA and UPS have found a way to "possibly" prevent the bottom guys from being pushed out onto the street. For them not to be pushed out onto the street ALOT of things will have to happen (retirements, JS, PLOA, MIL LOA, RDG, etc) by a LOT of people all in the near future.
Now put yourself in their shoes and have the perfect storm occur (recession, mandatory retirement age change with a grandfather clause, new hire at low first year pay, etc.). No amount of prior planning could have covered two of those Tsunami's, let alone all three. Folks are going to or are getting crushed by this so of course they are going to be stressed and it will be apparent in what they say (or write).
The age 60 mandatory retirement was an arbitrary number to say the least. Age 65 is no different. One BS number for another. It's done, so all lets move on.
If you can help out the guys at the bottom then do so. They will be forever grateful (or at least I will). By the bottom I mean not only the guys under the threat of a furlough but those who will get displaced to ANC or some other place or equipment they don't want as a result of one. If you can't or won't help then don't, that's up to you to decide. If you do decide to help I will buy you a beer (as a show of gratitude). All I ask is if you choose not to help is to be honest when someone asks. Please don't let your decision not to help be based on a comment from an anonymous poster on a public forum. This forum allows a cloak of anonymity (and all the things that go with it) that the IPA site does not (and that is a two way street).
Biff