Ouch. Take it out. It hurts.

 

You hit the nail on the head.

 

If there was a ban I would not do it,,,,but other then that I am flying....

 

I feel you all's pain I am bottom 300. UPS is my third airline will be my second furlough and third down sized flying job. I just have to say it ain't over till it's over which for me will be three months after I get the letter. I have painted and packed my house and am ready for the worst that hopefully will not come. But if it does it is what it is, just one of life's little twists. Life is to short to carry a grudge or be ****ed off for 20+ years at work, or out for payback "flown with a lot of those types in a previous life". Regardless of the outcome of the MOU in the future I hope that you guys will come to support those junior to us that might find there ass in a UPS crack because it is the right thing to do.

I understand you guys are angry but please try to hold off on such flame until the results are in next week this thing is in the hands of the fence riders.

for what its worth I have a mortgage, no money after surviving first year pay, no job prospects, and a kid who must be in a private school.

Good luck to all!!!

 

Great post SD.
Everyone can point a finger, whine, complain, and become what they despise: but to what end? Will you become healthier, more prosperous, or happier? There's nothing comfortable about what's about to happen, either way.
I've listened to people who think that if they experienced ill fate, then it's only “just” that others experience they same fate. This logic only perpetuates anger and ill will towards others to no end. If we harbor anger for those who we believe meant us harm, then we are harmed. For those who sacrificed for the 300, thank you. Those of you who support the IPA, thank you also.

 

D.E.,

Respectfully, I differ in your opinion. The IPA is each and every one of us that carries a union card, each one of us with an IPA lanyard for our UPS I.D. badge, each of us that receives the IPNN email everyday. The IPA is not just B.M. or the 5 or so guys on the E.B. It is each and every one of us. When the company violates the contract, no matter who among us it injures, our union's job is to resolve, grieve and if so needed; resolve the issue.

Recently, the union resolved a tax issue with the company. That tax issues doesn't affect me, but I'm glad the IPA went to bat for those that it affected. I guess I could have had the attitude of, Why is the IPA wasting it's time with this tax issue when it doesn't affect me, that's not where I want my tax dues being spent. But that's not what a union does.

Coming full circle, when you say don't blame it on the IPA that the MOU didn't pass, then who do we blame it on? We, the IPA members have not achieved our goal. Each of us, with our plastic IPA union card has a chance to pitch in, we are the IPA, and we only to date have 50% participation.

In addition, you say the IPA has done their best. The Exec Board has done a commendable job. However, only half of the IPA members-which is who the IPA is-have contributed. If you can honestly say that 50% participation is going above and beyond, I will not contest you, but I respectfully have a difference of opinion.

FF

 

FF,
I agree. Lots of people have worked really hard on this one. Anything less than 75% participation is unacceptable!!

Almost at 50% (48) as of yesterday. Less than 48 hours to go.

JUP

 

I would be a bit torqued off flying with any crewmember who did not sign up for one of the MOU options. It would make for a crappy trip.

 

How would you ever have a good trip then at most airlines. They have almost all laid off pilots. It seems to me the IPA pilots have tried the hardest without giving concessions to keep pilots on the payroll.

 

Can you help a FDX pilot understand the issues here? I don't understand the terms being used. Would it be true to say that each IPA pilot is asked to take a month off without pay and if this is done, UPS management agrees to not furlough for some specified length of time?