UPS internal rec?
 

I hear this is a VERY good thing to have.....does UPS hire under their published mins with a internal rec? Thanks ahead for any info:)

Yes an internal rec is a must have and no they won't hire below mins. If you can get a management rec, it's even better.

A very good thing is an understatement. I have heard they now have over 10,000 resumes on file. Knowing someone in management is about the only way to get yourself in the interview stack.

Not true at all, UPS. Having 2 or more recommendations plus meeting the minimums is what somebody needs. Management as a rec helps, but isn't the only way to get an interview slot.

As others said, Recommendation is "almost" required...... There are so many people applying there that basic mins are hardly competitive..... When in doubt, apply and see what happens....

Well, nobody in my class last year or anyone I have seen since has been hired without an internal rec. So take it for what it is worth.

I think that you are right, but you don't have to have one from a manager.

Just had a buddy call me yesterday. He got an interview with 2 letters from just line guys. Anyway, FWIW.

OK there is always the exception to the rule. The way I have seen it, if you have the mins. or slightly above, then an internal rec. is almost a must. If you have a crap load of time from maybe another carrier, you may get by with just line pilot recs.

I have 2 internal recs, plus I used to work there. Above minimums, stuff went in March...

As yet, no love...

UPS FO 4 Life, this is the statement I was challenging. I agree with you that you HAVE to have a rec or more to get onboard as a UPS new hire.

I've heard stories of gals hired there recently with just Beech 1900 time. How did they do that? I thought UPS was after jet time. Or was it knowing the right people and the minority card?

They hire with no jet time. Must be at least turbo prop though

Recs...
 

Same here JS.
I have two internal recs from a Capt and a very senior FO (11-12 years). I used to work there when I was in college. I even went to see my former manager and I vae talked to another former manager.
Trust me, I'm trying really hard, but no LOVE here either.

So, What can BROWN do for you?:cool:
Well, at least call me for an interview.

Cheers,

One of the great things about UPS' hiring practices, is that they hire from a multitude of backgrounds. And if you meet the mins you are qualified, be it 1000.1 PIC in a Jetstream 31 or 10,000 hrs/PIC in a 747.

1000 PIC in a Jetstream? Nice try. At least you tried to gloss over the fact that UPS has zero hiring standards if your a minority. Here's two examples of this. One of our 75 pilots was a right seater on a Jetstream in ORD for 5 months. Yes, I said 5 months. She had a total turbine time of 175 hours. Zero PIC time. She is now a Captain flying z. Another one I trained with was out of flying for over 2 years. She was a sales clerk at a Jeans store. So give me a break. Two totally different standards. We all know it.

[QUOTE=Don Q]Same here JS.
I have two internal recs from a Capt and a very senior FO (11-12 years)/QUOTE]

I have always felt that recomendations from new hires carried a lot more weight than recomendations from us senior folk. Can't prove it, but many of us that have been here a while have track records that UPS might not like so much. Even if we are clean, they know that our opinion of them has already been solidified.

Newbies come with no skeletons in the closet and the company is still trying to keep them happy. They realize that they have failed with so many of us, so why waste the capital?

Just a theory though

Not so sure that they have zero standards, but apparently you can have a less than honorable discharge from the service, nake worldwide headlines about it, and still get hired if you are not a ball bearing pilot.

Are you talking about the former BUFF driver?

We had three girls in my class (myself included) and all had jet time. I have not heard the thing about the Beech 1900. I would think you have to at least know someone to get hired with only Beech time.

Hmmm, ok then, let's talk about the WHITE MALE in my class with 2500TT civilian. I am curious if he had the 1000 PIC turbine mins. He had his resume in for a week and they called because he had a management rec. C'mon, let's ***** about how unfair that is. I had my stuff in over 5 years before they called me and double his TT and I'm a chick! Explain that one to me please Nash. I would say that saying UPS has zero standards for a minority is undermining everything I did to get here. Thanks! You made my day.

I know for a fact that a girl from Commutair was hired there with Beech 1900 time as the biggest thing she had ever flown.

Nash, I'm not sure what the mins were when this Z Capt. got hired, but here are the mins. since 11/04

Minimum Requirements:

* Hold a current FAA First Class Medical Certificate
* Hold a current ATP certificate OR hold an ATP written with a commercial pilot airplane multiengine land certificate with instrument certificate
* Hold a current flight engineer written or current flight engineer certificate
* Have a minimum of 1500 hours of total fixed-wing pilot time
* Have a minimum of 1000 hours pilot in command (PIC) hours in fixed-
wing jet and/or fixed-wing multi-engine turboprop

Pilot in Command, per FAR 1.1, means the person who:
1. Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight;
2. Has been designated as the pilot in command before or during the flight;
3. Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight

* Hold an FCC restricted radiotelephone operator permit
* Hold a valid passport
* Four year degree from an accredited college or university is preferred.
* Have authorization to work in the United States
* Be at least twenty-one years of age

UPS is not hiring people with zero PIC time anymore. What do you think the mins should be? 4000 PIC in a heavy? I believe if you meet the mins, you're qualified. Be it 1000.1 or 10,000. My class had a wide range of backgrounds, Saab Capt., RJ Capt's, Fighters, Tankers, and heavy freight. Some classes have corporate as well.

BUFF=B52?
She was B-1 I thought

I know a guy here in the same boat.....ME! There was also a white male in my class with 1400 hours and while he was in the service, he flew metroliners there. Who did he know? An EB member.It swings both ways.

I saw here plastered all over the news. She was the first female B52 pilot and was based in Minot AFB. She was dishonorably discharged and got on with ASA then was hired at UPS.

My recs are both from guys that have less than 2 yrs.

I'll happily take the ***** pay tomorrow, if they want to call me today!!

They'd better hurry, my face is turning blue from holdling my breath!!

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

key word.....gals

I've heard that if you have worked there(even pt) and quit, that they will not hire you back. Anybody verify this?

No true...
 

I threw boxes when I was 23 and quit after just a few weeks because a flying opportunity presented itself.

We discussed this at the interview and it was not held against me in any way.

Tipsy

Well, that's good to hear, because I had similiar circumstances. Did they frown upon it at all?

But they will hold it against you behind your back. You are now considered disloyal because you chose to quit UPS instead of working your way up internally. UPS is so arrogant they can't believe that anyone would ever quit regardless of what job they had here.

And yes as the little brown noser that you are... you are a prime example of arrogance.

You are just jealous that you can't get a job here. Have a nice life as a bottom feeder.

Now... now... now... lets be adult here... or no milk and cookies for you.

Hmmm...
 

Sounds like you may have been on the "receiving end" of this UPS arrogance. Did you quit UPS at one point?

Now that President Bush has successfully prevented me from going on my first flight lesson today, I have had to lurk around this forum for entertainment! hee hee.

Just remember, boys, arguing back and forth on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics - you are still retarded.

Yet, here you are! :p

Yeah, hee hee. It's like eating potatoe chips - you just can't have only one. This is will teach me to wander into the Cargo section. (I was just morbidly curious about Browntail's next words of wisdom). Better stick to my jokes and flirtations over in the Hangar. :)

"words of wisdom" may be a bit too kind when discussing Browntail. He is entertaining though, he sure knows how to stir the pot! Not bad for a UPS truck driver.