UPS - MOU Marketing
12-13-2009, 10:37 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by Avg Joe
Perhaps you'd be better off not concerning yourself with the choices others make in their lives and their motivations for making them. Do you also ask those you fly with what brand of toilet tissue they use and why? 
You see Joe, The IPA is a form of a collective, that is why our contract is actually called a collective bargaining agreement. If we had 2800 pilots acting as individuals as you would like, UPS would eat us alive.
I know it is tough for you to understand the concept of a union, but it would be better for all of us if you tried.
12-13-2009, 11:24 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by Avg Joe
Perhaps you'd be better off not concerning yourself with the choices others make in their lives and their motivations for making them. Do you also ask those you fly with what brand of toilet tissue they use and why?
12-13-2009, 11:56 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by navigatro
I have no problems with the choices others make. What I have an issue with is people who have no integrity and are big fat lying pieces of crap. If you do not wish to disclose your participation (or anything else), then it is better to say you do not want to discuss the matter, rather than lie to someone's face.
Affordability means many things to many people and is sufficiently broad to encompass anything from minor inconvenience to significant hardship.And the greater point I was trying to make is that it is no one's business what the individual's reasoning is for not participating.
12-13-2009, 12:00 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by Naven
Sorry Joe you lost all credibility when you tried to promote individualism over collectivism in a previous post. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...tml#post701973
You see Joe, The IPA is a form of a collective, that is why our contract is actually called a collective bargaining agreement. If we had 2800 pilots acting as individuals as you would like, UPS would eat us alive.
I know it is tough for you to understand the concept of a union, but it would be better for all of us if you tried.
You see Joe, The IPA is a form of a collective, that is why our contract is actually called a collective bargaining agreement. If we had 2800 pilots acting as individuals as you would like, UPS would eat us alive.
I know it is tough for you to understand the concept of a union, but it would be better for all of us if you tried.
PS Just how successful has your "collectivist" philosophy proven globally? Cuba and North Korea are shining examples of what, exactly?
12-13-2009, 01:29 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by Avg Joe
How do you KNOW they're lying? Affordability means many things to many people and is sufficiently broad to encompass anything from minor inconvenience to significant hardship.
And the greater point I was trying to make is that it is no one's business what the individual's reasoning is for not participating.
Affordability means many things to many people and is sufficiently broad to encompass anything from minor inconvenience to significant hardship.And the greater point I was trying to make is that it is no one's business what the individual's reasoning is for not participating.
As I said I don't care what your reasons are for not participating in the MOU. If you don't want to talk about it say so. I personally have never asked if someone contributes or not. The only thing I really care about is the integrity of the union.
Also FWIW when someone says the can't afford to contribute, then starts talking about the airplane, boat, or vacation house it is pretty easy to tell they are self absorbed.
12-13-2009, 01:55 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by Toast1927
Also FWIW when someone says the can't afford to contribute, then starts talking about the airplane, boat, or vacation house it is pretty easy to tell they are self absorbed.
It is ABSOLUTELY none of your business how someone chooses to spend his or her legally earned money! So what if they have all the above? Good for them; it has no bearing on my life. Perhaps because of all the above, they can't afford to participate. It's their right and their choice. Why concern yourself with what others have or don't have?
12-13-2009, 02:19 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by Slice
Joe, I believe the point is we belong to the Independent Pilot Association, not the Individual Pilot Association...well...at least 67% of us do.
12-13-2009, 02:38 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by Avg Joe
And my (and others') point is that requiring or expecting a co-worker to ante up $50,000 to buy your job is insane. Where in the C&B's does it spell out your co-workers' responsibility to pay a ransom should your job be deemed unnecessary? Bingo, it doesn't. You have perverted this voluntary MOU into some crazy expectation that all should participate. If people want to work less and get paid less, more power to them. If others want to take some time off... again, great, all for it. If others choose not to participate, then that's fine also.
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