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12-17-2009, 09:22 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by fedupbusdriver
If the Company were to furlough, they cannot accepted volunteer flying. Pilots can still do all of the makeup that they have available, and the Company can draft, but cannot "rely" on draft to fill the schedule, whatever that means.
Another random thought: If O thinks we'll be out of 4A2b in 6 to 18 months, that would imply that the company thinks we won't be overmanned 18 months from now. A large furlough (say 300 or more) would require another excess bid. That could take another year. The furloughees would not be on the street very long at all. Not very economical. Am I offbase here? Discuss.
12-17-2009, 09:24 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by Dahlysia
I thought they couldn't draft or volunteer in a furlough situation?? This whole bunch of numbers make no sense....
23A 11. There shall be no volunteer flying in any crew status while any pilot is on furlough. The Company does not intend to rely on draft flying in order to avoid a recall.
12-17-2009, 10:02 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by DaRaiders
It seems to me that, from O's comments, that the new manning model would have to rely on draft. He said that if every one just flew the BLG, we would need to hire up 200 pilots. So, how do they furlough 500 and NOT have to rely on draft? Of course they could do it anyway and dare ALPA to grieve it. Would ALPA go to bat for furloughees even if it meant reducing draft for everyone else?
Another random thought: If O thinks we'll be out of 4A2b in 6 to 18 months, that would imply that the company thinks we won't be overmanned 18 months from now. A large furlough (say 300 or more) would require another excess bid. That could take another year. The furloughees would not be on the street very long at all. Not very economical. Am I offbase here? Discuss.
Another random thought: If O thinks we'll be out of 4A2b in 6 to 18 months, that would imply that the company thinks we won't be overmanned 18 months from now. A large furlough (say 300 or more) would require another excess bid. That could take another year. The furloughees would not be on the street very long at all. Not very economical. Am I offbase here? Discuss.
I think what he might have meant was that, best case scenario, it would take that long for some of our genius pilots to realize that flying only your schedule, we would be out of 4a2b!
12-17-2009, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by iarapilot
I think what he might have meant was that, best case scenario, it would take that long for some of our genius pilots to realize that flying only your schedule, we would be out of 4a2b!
12-17-2009, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Flaps50
So how can they furlough if the arbitrator makes them exit 4a2b when they have to enter 4a2b before they can furlough? It's like military intelligence...
12-17-2009, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondZ
We are properly manned under 4a2b, without it we are 500-700 over.
6-18 months until we are out of it, unless told to exit by an arbitrator.
If everyone flew just their lines, no VLT/DRT, would require another 150-200 pilots.
6-18 months until we are out of it, unless told to exit by an arbitrator.
If everyone flew just their lines, no VLT/DRT, would require another 150-200 pilots.
However, I think some guys are misreading DiamondZ's third bullet.
I believe it means that if everyone flew just their lines, no VLT/DRT, they would require another 150-200 pilots (...not new pilots)....meaning the "supposed" overmanning of 500-700 pilots would drop down to 350-550 pilots or 300-500 pilots.
I'm still not buying that as a forthright answer, but I think it's different than them saying they would "need to hire".
DiamondZ - please jump back in and clarify what you heard. Thanks!
12-17-2009, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondZ
We are properly manned under 4a2b, without it we are 500-700 over.
6-18 months until we are out of it, unless told to exit by an arbitrator.
If everyone flew just their lines, no VLT/DRT, would require another 150-200 pilots.
6-18 months until we are out of it, unless told to exit by an arbitrator.
If everyone flew just their lines, no VLT/DRT, would require another 150-200 pilots.
If that's true, how can they honestly say the reason for continuing to operate with reduced BLGs under 4A2B is "furlough prevention" and not just "cost reduction"...??
12-17-2009, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Clrd2Lnd
Not to light a fire...but what is the difference between "furlough prevention" and "cost reduction?"
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