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Old 12-28-2009 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Overnitefr8
Sorry but a little thread creep. Does anyone know if you call in sick while on reserve, when you call back in well, do you immediately go back on reserve or do you go back on for your next day?

If you call in during your "availability" footprint then you are immediately back on reserve. Outside the footprint you are back on during the next footprint.
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Old 12-28-2009 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Overnitefr8
Sorry but a little thread creep. Does anyone know if you call in sick while on reserve, when you call back in well, do you immediately go back on reserve or do you go back on for your next day?
Depends if you were "charged" for a trip while sick, otherwise you can be assigned any trip that is legal for your reserve period remaining that day.

iii. Upon his return to flight status, a reserve pilot may be
given an assignment(s) for which he is eligible provided
that assignment does not begin prior to the scheduled
termination of the last activity charged to sick leave.
No legality conflict shall be considered to take place
between the last reserve trip charged to sick leave and
a subsequent assignment.
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Old 12-28-2009 | 08:16 PM
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For those that want to know,
conjunction |kənˈjə ng k sh ən|
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• an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space : a conjunction of favorable political and economic circumstances.

I'm no lawyer, but I think Webster et al would agree with me that "in conjunction with" does not mean, "occurring near," or "in the same week as," or even "on the day before..."
If your sick trip does not touch one of the specific holidays defined and listed in the CBA, in LBT, it is not "in conjunction with" that holiday (or vacation period) and is therefore not subject to the written note.
Yes, a friend of mine has pressed-to-test this definition with favorable results.
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Old 12-28-2009 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 69boeing
I was sick three days (Dec 20, 21, 22). The company wants a note...which I can give...but what is the policy? This is my third call of the year and my last call was in the spring. The email from the company quoted section 14.A.6.b
FYI, I called in sick earlier this year "close to" but not "on or during" a 4th of July trip. I got the same email requesting a note from my doctor, which I had btw, and completely ignored it. Never heard from anyone about it again.

FWIW, PT
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Old 12-28-2009 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LEROY
For those that want to know,
conjunction |kənˈjə ng k sh ən|
noun

• an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space : a conjunction of favorable political and economic circumstances.

I'm no lawyer, but I think Webster et al would agree with me that "in conjunction with" does not mean, "occurring near," or "in the same week as," or even "on the day before..."
If your sick trip does not touch one of the specific holidays defined and listed in the CBA, in LBT, it is not "in conjunction with" that holiday (or vacation period) and is therefore not subject to the written note.
Yes, a friend of mine has pressed-to-test this definition with favorable results.
I called in sick for RSV on 02 Jan 09. I got the form letter in my inbox. I had the same questions concerning "in conjunction with." I contacted the union office prior to that and received an email back telling me to cooperate with the company. I dutifully replied with my explanation. I heard nothing for a week or so. Next time I was in the AOC, I dropped by the office of EB to see if everything was cool. He looked up my reply on the spot, he hadn't even read it. He gave me the OK and I felt like I wasted my time.
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Old 12-29-2009 | 03:58 AM
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On a related note ... (we must have different ACP's?)

I called in SCK for a trip that ended Dec. 24th (probably still had Delhi-belly from a previous trip?). Knowing the contract verbiage, I REALLY did go to a doctor. He wrote a note that said, "Seen today, OK for work after Dec. 28th."

Haven't heard squat from management yet? But have my note just in case I do?
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Old 12-29-2009 | 04:11 AM
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Per the "Contract" 14.A.6: emphasis added by me,

The Company may require a pilot to provide the System Chief Pilot’s designee with a written statement from the pilot's physician explaining his inability to perform his assigned duties because of illness or injury if:

1. The Company has a good faith, and objective reason to question a pilot’s use or attempted use of sick leave; or
2. The pilot's absence from duty occurred in conjunction with his vacation period or a "holiday." As used herein, "holiday" means Easter, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, Christmas, New Years Eve or New Years Day; or
3. The pilot has requested to utilize his disability sick account in accordance with Section 14.D.2.a.

I don't see - or just missed - the prior "near a holiday" suggestion.
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Old 12-29-2009 | 04:38 AM
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FWIW, about ten years ago I got a call from my ACP wanting a note because I called in sick after being given a reserve trip. I was not feeling well and wasn't sure if I would be able to fly the flt 8 hrs from then, so I thought I would do the right thing and give them plenty of notice to fill it now instead of waking up at midnight to make my decision 1 hr prior to show. When I came off of sick 2 days later I got the call from the ACP reequesting the letter. I said ok, and called my doctor. He said "I didn't see you 2 days ago when you were sick, I don't know what I can do for you? I thought about it and apologized for dragging him into this mess. I called the ACP back and said I can't give you a doctors note for being sick 2 days ago because I didn't go to the doctor. He said, Well, if you will promise me that you were sick then I'll let it go. I said That is what I was doing when I called in sick in VIPS, promising that I am sick. The union told me never to talk to that ACP again without them being with me.
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Old 12-29-2009 | 06:11 AM
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When requesting a note from your doctor, remember that it is a HIPAA violation for your doctor to disclose your medical information without your approval. So unless you want to give your doctor approval to discuss your medical information with the company, just ask your doctor for a note stating "Mr XXX was under my care on XX Dec 09".

Normal discussions with your doctor usually concern continuing well being and methods to use for regular sick feelings that do not rise to the level of being seen by the doctor. Get lots of rest. Take it easy for a few days. Eat bland food until your stomach feels better. Keep hydrated. Elevate the injury. Ice for the first 24 Hrs. Watch what you eat. Stop smoking. Etc. Following your doctors advice means you are under their care. Just my opinion.
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Old 12-29-2009 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTail
FYI, I called in sick earlier this year "close to" but not "on or during" a 4th of July trip. I got the same email requesting a note from my doctor, which I had btw, and completely ignored it. Never heard from anyone about it again.

FWIW, PT
I just flew with an FO that got the email for being sick the day before Easter, nevermind that he called well in time to fly his Easter trip!
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