Sick Leave Question
#21
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From: Dispersing Green House Gasses on a Global Basis
If you call in during your "availability" footprint then you are immediately back on reserve. Outside the footprint you are back on during the next footprint.
#22
iii. Upon his return to flight status, a reserve pilot may be
given an assignment(s) for which he is eligible provided
that assignment does not begin prior to the scheduled
termination of the last activity charged to sick leave.
No legality conflict shall be considered to take place
between the last reserve trip charged to sick leave and
a subsequent assignment.
#23
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For those that want to know,
conjunction |kənˈjə ng k sh ən|
noun
• an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space : a conjunction of favorable political and economic circumstances.
I'm no lawyer, but I think Webster et al would agree with me that "in conjunction with" does not mean, "occurring near," or "in the same week as," or even "on the day before..."
If your sick trip does not touch one of the specific holidays defined and listed in the CBA, in LBT, it is not "in conjunction with" that holiday (or vacation period) and is therefore not subject to the written note.
Yes, a friend of mine has pressed-to-test this definition with favorable results.
conjunction |kənˈjə ng k sh ən|
noun
• an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space : a conjunction of favorable political and economic circumstances.
I'm no lawyer, but I think Webster et al would agree with me that "in conjunction with" does not mean, "occurring near," or "in the same week as," or even "on the day before..."
If your sick trip does not touch one of the specific holidays defined and listed in the CBA, in LBT, it is not "in conjunction with" that holiday (or vacation period) and is therefore not subject to the written note.
Yes, a friend of mine has pressed-to-test this definition with favorable results.
#24
FWIW, PT
#25
For those that want to know,
conjunction |kənˈjə ng k sh ən|
noun
• an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space : a conjunction of favorable political and economic circumstances.
I'm no lawyer, but I think Webster et al would agree with me that "in conjunction with" does not mean, "occurring near," or "in the same week as," or even "on the day before..."
If your sick trip does not touch one of the specific holidays defined and listed in the CBA, in LBT, it is not "in conjunction with" that holiday (or vacation period) and is therefore not subject to the written note.
Yes, a friend of mine has pressed-to-test this definition with favorable results.
conjunction |kənˈjə ng k sh ən|
noun
• an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space : a conjunction of favorable political and economic circumstances.
I'm no lawyer, but I think Webster et al would agree with me that "in conjunction with" does not mean, "occurring near," or "in the same week as," or even "on the day before..."
If your sick trip does not touch one of the specific holidays defined and listed in the CBA, in LBT, it is not "in conjunction with" that holiday (or vacation period) and is therefore not subject to the written note.
Yes, a friend of mine has pressed-to-test this definition with favorable results.
#26
On a related note ... (we must have different ACP's?)
I called in SCK for a trip that ended Dec. 24th (probably still had Delhi-belly from a previous trip?). Knowing the contract verbiage, I REALLY did go to a doctor. He wrote a note that said, "Seen today, OK for work after Dec. 28th."
Haven't heard squat from management yet? But have my note just in case I do?
I called in SCK for a trip that ended Dec. 24th (probably still had Delhi-belly from a previous trip?). Knowing the contract verbiage, I REALLY did go to a doctor. He wrote a note that said, "Seen today, OK for work after Dec. 28th."
Haven't heard squat from management yet? But have my note just in case I do?
#27
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Per the "Contract" 14.A.6: emphasis added by me,
The Company may require a pilot to provide the System Chief Pilot’s designee with a written statement from the pilot's physician explaining his inability to perform his assigned duties because of illness or injury if:
1. The Company has a good faith, and objective reason to question a pilot’s use or attempted use of sick leave; or
2. The pilot's absence from duty occurred in conjunction with his vacation period or a "holiday." As used herein, "holiday" means Easter, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, Christmas, New Years Eve or New Years Day; or
3. The pilot has requested to utilize his disability sick account in accordance with Section 14.D.2.a.
I don't see - or just missed - the prior "near a holiday" suggestion.
The Company may require a pilot to provide the System Chief Pilot’s designee with a written statement from the pilot's physician explaining his inability to perform his assigned duties because of illness or injury if:
1. The Company has a good faith, and objective reason to question a pilot’s use or attempted use of sick leave; or
2. The pilot's absence from duty occurred in conjunction with his vacation period or a "holiday." As used herein, "holiday" means Easter, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, Christmas, New Years Eve or New Years Day; or
3. The pilot has requested to utilize his disability sick account in accordance with Section 14.D.2.a.
I don't see - or just missed - the prior "near a holiday" suggestion.
#28
FWIW, about ten years ago I got a call from my ACP wanting a note because I called in sick after being given a reserve trip. I was not feeling well and wasn't sure if I would be able to fly the flt 8 hrs from then, so I thought I would do the right thing and give them plenty of notice to fill it now instead of waking up at midnight to make my decision 1 hr prior to show. When I came off of sick 2 days later I got the call from the ACP reequesting the letter. I said ok, and called my doctor. He said "I didn't see you 2 days ago when you were sick, I don't know what I can do for you? I thought about it and apologized for dragging him into this mess. I called the ACP back and said I can't give you a doctors note for being sick 2 days ago because I didn't go to the doctor. He said, Well, if you will promise me that you were sick then I'll let it go. I said That is what I was doing when I called in sick in VIPS, promising that I am sick. The union told me never to talk to that ACP again without them being with me.
#29
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When requesting a note from your doctor, remember that it is a HIPAA violation for your doctor to disclose your medical information without your approval. So unless you want to give your doctor approval to discuss your medical information with the company, just ask your doctor for a note stating "Mr XXX was under my care on XX Dec 09".
Normal discussions with your doctor usually concern continuing well being and methods to use for regular sick feelings that do not rise to the level of being seen by the doctor. Get lots of rest. Take it easy for a few days. Eat bland food until your stomach feels better. Keep hydrated. Elevate the injury. Ice for the first 24 Hrs. Watch what you eat. Stop smoking. Etc. Following your doctors advice means you are under their care. Just my opinion.
Normal discussions with your doctor usually concern continuing well being and methods to use for regular sick feelings that do not rise to the level of being seen by the doctor. Get lots of rest. Take it easy for a few days. Eat bland food until your stomach feels better. Keep hydrated. Elevate the injury. Ice for the first 24 Hrs. Watch what you eat. Stop smoking. Etc. Following your doctors advice means you are under their care. Just my opinion.
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