Top 10 UPS Furlough Questions
02-15-2010, 12:16 AM
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Top 10 UPS Furlough Questions
this is a brainstorming session. feel free to add or answer these top ten head scratchers:
10- If UPS can predict that furloughs can be out till 2015, how come they could not predict, when hiring in 2007, that they would need to furlough two years later.
9- How does UPS plan on competing with FedEx with so many pilots on furlough, all while FedEx is announcing new, faster 777 service?
8- How come UPS did not offer an early retirement package, but would rather furlough the bottom, least expensive pilots on the list.
7- Is UPS the only airline in history to furlough pilots while being extremely profitable?
6- Why is UPS telling the pilots about to be furloughed that they should keeping their uniforms and flight bags?
5- Why would UPS furlough pilots a few months before the FAA changes the flight time and duty regs? Is UPS that confident to put their billion dollar business at risk?
4- How does UPS plan to staff the new 767s that are arriving over the next couple years?
3- Why does UPS decide to furlough at the end of a recession rather than at the beginning of a recession?
2- How does UPS intend to operate the Anchorage domicile where ALL the junior pilots are currently based?
...and the number one UPS furlough head scratcher is:
1- How come we were 300 pilots fat last year when we had 2906 pilots on the seniority list, and now we are still 300 fat with 2819 pilots on the seniority list.
Doesn't this seem a bit odd?
10- If UPS can predict that furloughs can be out till 2015, how come they could not predict, when hiring in 2007, that they would need to furlough two years later.
9- How does UPS plan on competing with FedEx with so many pilots on furlough, all while FedEx is announcing new, faster 777 service?
8- How come UPS did not offer an early retirement package, but would rather furlough the bottom, least expensive pilots on the list.
7- Is UPS the only airline in history to furlough pilots while being extremely profitable?
6- Why is UPS telling the pilots about to be furloughed that they should keeping their uniforms and flight bags?
5- Why would UPS furlough pilots a few months before the FAA changes the flight time and duty regs? Is UPS that confident to put their billion dollar business at risk?
4- How does UPS plan to staff the new 767s that are arriving over the next couple years?
3- Why does UPS decide to furlough at the end of a recession rather than at the beginning of a recession?
2- How does UPS intend to operate the Anchorage domicile where ALL the junior pilots are currently based?
...and the number one UPS furlough head scratcher is:
1- How come we were 300 pilots fat last year when we had 2906 pilots on the seniority list, and now we are still 300 fat with 2819 pilots on the seniority list.
Doesn't this seem a bit odd?
02-15-2010, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by weatherman
this is a brainstorming session. feel free to add or answer these top ten head scratchers:
10- If UPS can predict that furloughs can be out till 2015, how come they could not predict, when hiring in 2007, that they would need to furlough two years later.
They can't even predict their reserve needs for 0600z tomorrow.
9- How does UPS plan on competing with FedEx with so many pilots on furlough, all while FedEx is announcing new, faster 777 service?
By hiring more managers
8- How come UPS did not offer an early retirement package, but would rather furlough the bottom, least expensive pilots on the list.
They need the experienced to keep the boxes moving, the bottom are just not worthy
7- Is UPS the only airline in history to furlough pilots while being extremely profitable?
UPS is an airline ?
6- Why is UPS telling the pilots about to be furloughed that they should keeping their uniforms and flight bags?
They don't want to provide new ones when they start recalls
5- Why would UPS furlough pilots a few months before the FAA changes the flight time and duty regs? Is UPS that confident to put their billion dollar business at risk?
Because they can. And they ARE that confident
4- How does UPS plan to staff the new 767s that are arriving over the next couple years?
Currently vacationing DC8 crews
3- Why does UPS decide to furlough at the end of a recession rather than at the beginning of a recession?
Better late than never ...
2- How does UPS intend to operate the Anchorage domicile where ALL the junior pilots are currently based?
There is already an SDF base for the MD and the 400 (special members only)
...and the number one UPS furlough head scratcher is:
1- How come we were 300 pilots fat last year when we had 2906 pilots on the seniority list, and now we are still 300 fat with 2819 pilots on the seniority list.
Doesn't this seem a bit odd?
The whole furlough seems a bit odd, but it is UPS !
10- If UPS can predict that furloughs can be out till 2015, how come they could not predict, when hiring in 2007, that they would need to furlough two years later.
They can't even predict their reserve needs for 0600z tomorrow.
9- How does UPS plan on competing with FedEx with so many pilots on furlough, all while FedEx is announcing new, faster 777 service?
By hiring more managers
8- How come UPS did not offer an early retirement package, but would rather furlough the bottom, least expensive pilots on the list.
They need the experienced to keep the boxes moving, the bottom are just not worthy
7- Is UPS the only airline in history to furlough pilots while being extremely profitable?
UPS is an airline ?
6- Why is UPS telling the pilots about to be furloughed that they should keeping their uniforms and flight bags?
They don't want to provide new ones when they start recalls
5- Why would UPS furlough pilots a few months before the FAA changes the flight time and duty regs? Is UPS that confident to put their billion dollar business at risk?
Because they can. And they ARE that confident
4- How does UPS plan to staff the new 767s that are arriving over the next couple years?
Currently vacationing DC8 crews
3- Why does UPS decide to furlough at the end of a recession rather than at the beginning of a recession?
Better late than never ...
2- How does UPS intend to operate the Anchorage domicile where ALL the junior pilots are currently based?
There is already an SDF base for the MD and the 400 (special members only)
...and the number one UPS furlough head scratcher is:
1- How come we were 300 pilots fat last year when we had 2906 pilots on the seniority list, and now we are still 300 fat with 2819 pilots on the seniority list.
Doesn't this seem a bit odd?
The whole furlough seems a bit odd, but it is UPS !
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02-15-2010, 07:27 AM
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Along the same lines: I'm past due to have my company-provided luggage replaced... think they'll give me a new bag before I head out in May? Prolly come in handy if I have to travel to my next job interview. 
02-15-2010, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck92
Along the same lines: I'm past due to have my company-provided luggage replaced... think they'll give me a new bag before I head out in May? Prolly come in handy if I have to travel to my next job interview.
02-15-2010, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by weatherman
this is a brainstorming session. feel free to add or answer these top ten head scratchers:
10- If UPS can predict that furloughs can be out till 2015, how come they could not predict, when hiring in 2007, that they would need to furlough two years later. Nobody new the effects of sub-prime mortgages, credit default swaps and the effect these exotic debt and toxic assets would have on the economy and credit available in 2007
9- How does UPS plan on competing with FedEx with so many pilots on furlough, all while FedEx is announcing new, faster 777 service? UPS either wants to get at the RIF language of the contract or they see the next leg down starting with commercial real estate and second mortgages which are both equal to the sub-prime in size.
8- How come UPS did not offer an early retirement package, but would rather furlough the bottom, least expensive pilots on the list. Good question. IMO that BM wanted too much for this group and the company said NO.
7- Is UPS the only airline in history to furlough pilots while being extremely profitable? I believe so
6- Why is UPS telling the pilots about to be furloughed that they should keeping their uniforms and flight bags? Because they look good with all the other uniforms in the closet.
5- Why would UPS furlough pilots a few months before the FAA changes the flight time and duty regs? Is UPS that confident to put their billion dollar business at risk? The next leg down is big or they gain leverage to negotiate changes along with potential work rule changes
4- How does UPS plan to staff the new 767s that are arriving over the next couple years? Same as weatherman but also with retiring 757
3- Why does UPS decide to furlough at the end of a recession rather than at the beginning of a recession? Who says we are at the end? Most recessions are not credit driven, they are inventory driven. This really is more like a depression. It could be much longer lasting or implode again in the near future.
2- How does UPS intend to operate the Anchorage domicile where ALL the junior pilots are currently based? A slow steady shuffle of DC8 and other crews via RIF
...and the number one UPS furlough head scratcher is:
1- How come we were 300 pilots fat last year when we had 2906 pilots on the seniority list, and now we are still 300 fat with 2819 pilots on the seniority list. Double dip or not we still fly a network. IMO we are over but not 300. Could we hit the 170, sure, but we're tight.
Doesn't this seem a bit odd?
10- If UPS can predict that furloughs can be out till 2015, how come they could not predict, when hiring in 2007, that they would need to furlough two years later. Nobody new the effects of sub-prime mortgages, credit default swaps and the effect these exotic debt and toxic assets would have on the economy and credit available in 2007
9- How does UPS plan on competing with FedEx with so many pilots on furlough, all while FedEx is announcing new, faster 777 service? UPS either wants to get at the RIF language of the contract or they see the next leg down starting with commercial real estate and second mortgages which are both equal to the sub-prime in size.
8- How come UPS did not offer an early retirement package, but would rather furlough the bottom, least expensive pilots on the list. Good question. IMO that BM wanted too much for this group and the company said NO.
7- Is UPS the only airline in history to furlough pilots while being extremely profitable? I believe so
6- Why is UPS telling the pilots about to be furloughed that they should keeping their uniforms and flight bags? Because they look good with all the other uniforms in the closet.
5- Why would UPS furlough pilots a few months before the FAA changes the flight time and duty regs? Is UPS that confident to put their billion dollar business at risk? The next leg down is big or they gain leverage to negotiate changes along with potential work rule changes
4- How does UPS plan to staff the new 767s that are arriving over the next couple years? Same as weatherman but also with retiring 757
3- Why does UPS decide to furlough at the end of a recession rather than at the beginning of a recession? Who says we are at the end? Most recessions are not credit driven, they are inventory driven. This really is more like a depression. It could be much longer lasting or implode again in the near future.
2- How does UPS intend to operate the Anchorage domicile where ALL the junior pilots are currently based? A slow steady shuffle of DC8 and other crews via RIF
...and the number one UPS furlough head scratcher is:
1- How come we were 300 pilots fat last year when we had 2906 pilots on the seniority list, and now we are still 300 fat with 2819 pilots on the seniority list. Double dip or not we still fly a network. IMO we are over but not 300. Could we hit the 170, sure, but we're tight.
Doesn't this seem a bit odd?
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Good luck all!
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02-15-2010, 12:13 PM
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They will follow through with this furlough regardless of what it cost them. This is about control and coming after our contract. How many times have you seen these idiots trip over dollars to pick up pennies?
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02-15-2010, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FR8TFLYER
They will follow through with this furlough regardless of what it cost them. This is about control and coming after our contract. How many times have you seen these idiots trip over dollars to pick up pennies?
Too many to count. And that is in just 3 years.
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02-15-2010, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck92
Along the same lines: I'm past due to have my company-provided luggage replaced... think they'll give me a new bag before I head out in May? Prolly come in handy if I have to travel to my next job interview.
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