My over 60 captain
02-16-2010 | 03:22 AM
#11
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21 years of human factors training at FedEx and this is what we have to show for it. Unbelievable…
02-16-2010 | 03:50 AM
#12
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From: Retired
I was in my first year at FedEx and manning the back seat of the jurassic jet on a flight from Memphis to LAX. All was going well and I was looking forward to the weekend layover in Marina Del Ray, when out of the corner of my eye, I saw the Captain rummaging through his flight bag. Shortly thereafter, he passed me a piece of paper and said: "now that's a pay check to be proud of."
As I looked at his pay recap summary sheet, I remember thinking that $39,000 dollars was not a lot of money for a Captain to be making, a quarter. Then I realized that it was a monthly pay sheet, at which time I was ready to break out the crash ax and finish the jerk off. A few minutes later he turned to me and said: "so what do you think of that!", to which I told him that I thought he had a lot of nerve, showing me that sheet, because he was making as much in a month as I made all year. I also went on to tell him (he had already announced that he was on a draft trip) that it was because of guys like him, that I was still, and would remain for some time, a Second Officer, and that I didn't appreciate it one little bit. To which he told me: "I don't really care about the junior guys." While I could appreciate his honesty, I detested him as a person, and so when he suggested we get together for dinner that night and breakfast the next day, I told him: "not in this lifetime." On layover, I went my separate way, and except for checklist items on the return flight, didn't say another word to him. And of course, I'll never forget Sid H's name.
No one has the right to rub your nose in it, and regardless of whether they are a Captain or not, they should have to sensitivity and where-with-all to intuitively understand that their insensitive comments can easily cause a rift in their crew. The guy was totally wrong and Goose, you did the right thing, especially saying it in a non-confrontational manner. Hopefully he'll think about that before he subjects anyone else to his drivel.
JJ
As I looked at his pay recap summary sheet, I remember thinking that $39,000 dollars was not a lot of money for a Captain to be making, a quarter. Then I realized that it was a monthly pay sheet, at which time I was ready to break out the crash ax and finish the jerk off. A few minutes later he turned to me and said: "so what do you think of that!", to which I told him that I thought he had a lot of nerve, showing me that sheet, because he was making as much in a month as I made all year. I also went on to tell him (he had already announced that he was on a draft trip) that it was because of guys like him, that I was still, and would remain for some time, a Second Officer, and that I didn't appreciate it one little bit. To which he told me: "I don't really care about the junior guys." While I could appreciate his honesty, I detested him as a person, and so when he suggested we get together for dinner that night and breakfast the next day, I told him: "not in this lifetime." On layover, I went my separate way, and except for checklist items on the return flight, didn't say another word to him. And of course, I'll never forget Sid H's name.
No one has the right to rub your nose in it, and regardless of whether they are a Captain or not, they should have to sensitivity and where-with-all to intuitively understand that their insensitive comments can easily cause a rift in their crew. The guy was totally wrong and Goose, you did the right thing, especially saying it in a non-confrontational manner. Hopefully he'll think about that before he subjects anyone else to his drivel.
JJ
02-16-2010 | 04:21 AM
#13
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Or maybe you are referring to the union's Pro-Stan department. They have the authority of a Yugo on the Autobahn.
And I got news for you...if you advertise how "good" you have it, someone will get mad. The animosity already exists. Count on it.
02-16-2010 | 04:21 AM
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From: Retired
I was in my first year at FedEx and manning the back seat of the jurassic jet on a flight from Memphis to LAX. All was going well and I was looking forward to the weekend layover in Marina Del Ray, when out of the corner of my eye, I saw the Captain rummaging through his flight bag. Shortly thereafter, he passed me a piece of paper and said: "now that's a pay check to be proud of."
As I looked at his pay recap summary sheet, I remember thinking that $39,000 dollars was not a lot of money for a Captain to be making, a quarter. Then I realized that it was a monthly pay sheet, at which time I was ready to break out the crash ax and finish the jerk off. A few minutes later he turned to me and said: "so what do you think of that!", to which I told him that I thought he had a lot of nerve, showing me that sheet, because he was making as much in a month as I made all year. I also went on to tell him (he had already announced that he was on a draft trip) that it was because of guys like him, that I was still, and would remain for some time, a Second Officer, and that I didn't appreciate it one little bit. To which he told me: "I don't really care about the junior guys." While I could appreciate his honesty, I detested him as a person, and so when he suggested we get together for dinner that night and breakfast the next day, I told him: "not in this lifetime." On layover, I went my separate way, and except for checklist items on the return flight, didn't say another word to him. And of course, I'll never forget Sid H's name.
No one has the right to rub your nose in it, and regardless of whether they are a Captain or not, they should have to sensitivity and where-with-all to intuitively understand that their insensitive comments can easily cause a rift in their crew. The guy was totally wrong and Goose, you did the right thing, especially saying it in a non-confrontational manner. Hopefully he'll think about that before he subjects anyone else to his drivel.
JJ
As I looked at his pay recap summary sheet, I remember thinking that $39,000 dollars was not a lot of money for a Captain to be making, a quarter. Then I realized that it was a monthly pay sheet, at which time I was ready to break out the crash ax and finish the jerk off. A few minutes later he turned to me and said: "so what do you think of that!", to which I told him that I thought he had a lot of nerve, showing me that sheet, because he was making as much in a month as I made all year. I also went on to tell him (he had already announced that he was on a draft trip) that it was because of guys like him, that I was still, and would remain for some time, a Second Officer, and that I didn't appreciate it one little bit. To which he told me: "I don't really care about the junior guys." While I could appreciate his honesty, I detested him as a person, and so when he suggested we get together for dinner that night and breakfast the next day, I told him: "not in this lifetime." On layover, I went my separate way, and except for checklist items on the return flight, didn't say another word to him. And of course, I'll never forget Sid H's name.
No one has the right to rub your nose in it, and regardless of whether they are a Captain or not, they should have to sensitivity and where-with-all to intuitively understand that their insensitive comments can easily cause a rift in their crew. The guy was totally wrong and Goose, you did the right thing, especially saying it in a non-confrontational manner. Hopefully he'll think about that before he subjects anyone else to his drivel.
JJ
02-16-2010 | 05:35 AM
#15
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From: B767 Capt
The Shutdown checklist has an item called Debrief. My flight manual reads "encourages open discussion". I believe this means two way communication not Captain telling the First Officer what he should think. We are all supposed to be adults.
I feel Goose should point out to this Captain that not all F/Os want to hear about his riches. It is poor "home training" to brag about your wealth to anyone.
I was able to become a wide body captain at 40 not because I was a Chuck Yeager clone but because I was hired at the right time. I believe you should treat your F/Os with the utmost respect. Besides the F/O may see something you don't see and therefore cover your a$$.
I feel Goose should point out to this Captain that not all F/Os want to hear about his riches. It is poor "home training" to brag about your wealth to anyone.
I was able to become a wide body captain at 40 not because I was a Chuck Yeager clone but because I was hired at the right time. I believe you should treat your F/Os with the utmost respect. Besides the F/O may see something you don't see and therefore cover your a$$.
02-16-2010 | 06:05 AM
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From: MD11 FO, ANC
Goose, You are the one that needs to be debriefed. If it is wrong to make up sick leave, for whatever reason, you guys, meaning those less than 60, need to get a life.
I hope this Captain finds out who you are and takes action. This type animosity can't exist in our cockpits. You are the problem.
I hope this Captain finds out who you are and takes action. This type animosity can't exist in our cockpits. You are the problem.
that wouldn't mean you're 61 yrs old would it? (4 yrs to go to retirement @ 65?)
immediately puts your comments in perspective - ignored!
(you were probably the captain in the story!! Go ahead & report him....I dare ya!)
02-16-2010 | 06:09 AM
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From: 757/767 FO
The Shutdown checklist has an item called Debrief. My flight manual reads "encourages open discussion". I believe this means two way communication not Captain telling the First Officer what he should think. We are all supposed to be adults.
I feel Goose should point out to this Captain that not all F/Os want to hear about his riches. It is poor "home training" to brag about your wealth to anyone.
I was able to become a wide body captain at 40 not because I was a Chuck Yeager clone but because I was hired at the right time. I believe you should treat your F/Os with the utmost respect. Besides the F/O may see something you don't see and therefore cover your a$$.
I feel Goose should point out to this Captain that not all F/Os want to hear about his riches. It is poor "home training" to brag about your wealth to anyone.
I was able to become a wide body captain at 40 not because I was a Chuck Yeager clone but because I was hired at the right time. I believe you should treat your F/Os with the utmost respect. Besides the F/O may see something you don't see and therefore cover your a$$.
02-16-2010 | 06:18 AM
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Goose, You are the one that needs to be debriefed. If it is wrong to make up sick leave, for whatever reason, you guys, meaning those less than 60, need to get a life.
I hope this Captain finds out who you are and takes action. This type animosity can't exist in our cockpits. You are the problem.
I hope this Captain finds out who you are and takes action. This type animosity can't exist in our cockpits. You are the problem.
02-16-2010 | 06:20 AM
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We've all flown with a guy like that. Most of these guys that talk about their wealth are also the the same ones that tip a whole dollar for a driver that takes you 45 minutes to the hotel. Or the guy that orders the cheapest thing on the menu.. You get the idea. He may retire with millions but forgot to enjoy life.
I wouldn't worry about being reported. The debrief was the perfect place for this conversation. It seems like some guys have been flying night freight for so long that they have lost the few social skills they had acquired.
I wouldn't worry about being reported. The debrief was the perfect place for this conversation. It seems like some guys have been flying night freight for so long that they have lost the few social skills they had acquired.
02-16-2010 | 06:31 AM
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From: Bent Over
While I agree that it's poor etiquette to brag about your latest toy or vacation home etc., this type of behavior isn't limited to just those over 60. I've had plenty of young guys who couldn't wait to show me pictures of their airplane or tell me about the two vacation homes or how much they made in the stock market last year. While these are sometimes topics that can be brought up in conversation, I find it poor manners to introduce them in the first hour that I've known you. It also makes a person seem insecure in who they are if they can whip out that picture of their airplane like a quickdraw gunfighter. Personally, I'd rather hear about someone's kids.
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