My over 60 captain
02-15-2010, 09:22 PM
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My over 60 captain
So, my last flight started out normally… Met at the folder - chatting, getting to know each other a bit. The captain says he lives in MEM, but starts talking about his vacation home in FL on the Gulf. I told him it sounded nice. He then goes on to say he was on a make-up sick trip to keep his sick bank maxed out so the company will keep sending him a big bonus check into his retirement account. Hmmmm - I say. He then tells me he should start receiving his Reserves retirement any day. This prompts me to ask him how old he was to which he informs me he is over 60 now.
So, after the flight I said I have a debrief item. Not on the flight itself, but more on and etiquette level. I said most FOs are not too happy about the age 65 deal - myself included. Also, during 4a2b, most guys are not flying extra - mself included. So, on future flights I wouldn't be volunteering info about extra flying, bonus retirement checks, flying past 60, etc.
His response was he was working on his high 5, to which I replied he was working on his bonus 5 at our (FOs) expense.
Goose17
So, after the flight I said I have a debrief item. Not on the flight itself, but more on and etiquette level. I said most FOs are not too happy about the age 65 deal - myself included. Also, during 4a2b, most guys are not flying extra - mself included. So, on future flights I wouldn't be volunteering info about extra flying, bonus retirement checks, flying past 60, etc.
His response was he was working on his high 5, to which I replied he was working on his bonus 5 at our (FOs) expense.
Goose17
02-15-2010, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Goose17
His response was he was working on his high 5, to which I replied he was working on his bonus 5 at our (FOs) expense.
I'll grant you this guy's social skills are deficient. But I have just one question:
Why do you young studs think you're ENTITLED to anything? "Its the economy, Stupid!," as the Clinton campaign liked to say.
Personally, I'm happy to just have job and a regular paycheck coming in.
02-15-2010, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Goose17
So, my last flight started out normally… Met at the folder - chatting, getting to know each other a bit. The captain says he lives in MEM, but starts talking about his vacation home in FL on the Gulf. I told him it sounded nice. He then goes on to say he was on a make-up sick trip to keep his sick bank maxed out so the company will keep sending him a big bonus check into his retirement account. Hmmmm - I say. He then tells me he should start receiving his Reserves retirement any day. This prompts me to ask him how old he was to which he informs me he is over 60 now.
So, after the flight I said I have a debrief item. Not on the flight itself, but more on and etiquette level. I said most FOs are not too happy about the age 65 deal - myself included. Also, during 4a2b, most guys are not flying extra - mself included. So, on future flights I wouldn't be volunteering info about extra flying, bonus retirement checks, flying past 60, etc.
His response was he was working on his high 5, to which I replied he was working on his bonus 5 at our (FOs) expense.
Goose17
So, after the flight I said I have a debrief item. Not on the flight itself, but more on and etiquette level. I said most FOs are not too happy about the age 65 deal - myself included. Also, during 4a2b, most guys are not flying extra - mself included. So, on future flights I wouldn't be volunteering info about extra flying, bonus retirement checks, flying past 60, etc.
His response was he was working on his high 5, to which I replied he was working on his bonus 5 at our (FOs) expense.
Goose17
02-15-2010, 10:11 PM
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I'm with Goose on this one.
"Oooo, you debriefed a captain!?!?"
**** what seat the guy is in; You have something to say, you say it. This ain't the military. We're all civilians working at a Fortune 100 company.
No need to be rude or confrontational. Just giving the guy a heads up, I would have (and have) done the same.
Edit: Ran it through IE-Spell and it only found one error. Am I the bad speller and/or drunk guy? Been known to be both more than once, though I can't spot it in this particular post.
"Oooo, you debriefed a captain!?!?"
**** what seat the guy is in; You have something to say, you say it. This ain't the military. We're all civilians working at a Fortune 100 company.
No need to be rude or confrontational. Just giving the guy a heads up, I would have (and have) done the same.
Edit: Ran it through IE-Spell and it only found one error. Am I the bad speller and/or drunk guy? Been known to be both more than once, though I can't spot it in this particular post.
Last edited by skypine27; 02-16-2010 at 02:35 AM.
02-15-2010, 10:15 PM
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goose,
I applaud your efforts. They're needed to help the crm safety issue at hand. Thankfully, most over 60 guys/gals understand the delicate issue. On a personal level, anyone debriefing a "captain" on this is on my "i'll buy you a beer" list. I think our captains forget why they are captains...because they were hired before the fos. As most of us see, it isn't because they are any better than anyone else.
As to the other two replys here, one is obviously an older gentelman; the other gentleman is drunk or a really bad speller.
Nobody was entitled to anything. But, we all have to plan according to the rules of the era. Unfortunately, we are in a new era, the 65 era. How anyone who is over 60 is telling another that they are working on their high 5 is either a horrible planner or lying. Either way, they have made their bed, so let them sleep in it instead of us "younger studs" bailing them out of their ppppp.
I applaud your efforts. They're needed to help the crm safety issue at hand. Thankfully, most over 60 guys/gals understand the delicate issue. On a personal level, anyone debriefing a "captain" on this is on my "i'll buy you a beer" list. I think our captains forget why they are captains...because they were hired before the fos. As most of us see, it isn't because they are any better than anyone else.
As to the other two replys here, one is obviously an older gentelman; the other gentleman is drunk or a really bad speller.
Nobody was entitled to anything. But, we all have to plan according to the rules of the era. Unfortunately, we are in a new era, the 65 era. How anyone who is over 60 is telling another that they are working on their high 5 is either a horrible planner or lying. Either way, they have made their bed, so let them sleep in it instead of us "younger studs" bailing them out of their ppppp.
02-16-2010, 02:17 AM
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Goose, You are the one that needs to be debriefed. If it is wrong to make up sick leave, for whatever reason, you guys, meaning those less than 60, need to get a life.
I hope this Captain finds out who you are and takes action. This type animosity can't exist in our cockpits. You are the problem.
I hope this Captain finds out who you are and takes action. This type animosity can't exist in our cockpits. You are the problem.
02-16-2010, 02:31 AM
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42GO,
I couldn't disagree more sir. The only arrogant ass in the cockpit was the Captain. Everyone should be aware of the impact of 4A2B by now, and to sit there for hours and brag about working extra, working extra years, and receiving additional pay through sick time is way beyond a level of arrogance that I would be comfortable with. How is that NOT creating animosity in the cockpit? He could easily talk about anything else, and let's face it, you are pretty much a captive audience as an FO in a 2 man cockpit!
I don't see any problem with the FO waiting till the end of the flight to remind the Capt. to be a little more considerate. At least goose waited till the debrief item, where as the Capt. bragged the entire way during normal ops. How is a team player like goose the problem again?
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I couldn't disagree more sir. The only arrogant ass in the cockpit was the Captain. Everyone should be aware of the impact of 4A2B by now, and to sit there for hours and brag about working extra, working extra years, and receiving additional pay through sick time is way beyond a level of arrogance that I would be comfortable with. How is that NOT creating animosity in the cockpit? He could easily talk about anything else, and let's face it, you are pretty much a captive audience as an FO in a 2 man cockpit!
I don't see any problem with the FO waiting till the end of the flight to remind the Capt. to be a little more considerate. At least goose waited till the debrief item, where as the Capt. bragged the entire way during normal ops. How is a team player like goose the problem again?
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02-16-2010, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 42GO
I hope this Captain finds out who you are and takes action. This type animosity can't exist in our cockpits. You are the problem.
No where did Goose indicate he was anything less than respectful and courteous in the way in which he brought this up to the captain.
Something else, I might add, it sounds like the captain could learn from.
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02-16-2010, 03:19 AM
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Goose17: well said!
42GO: you're flat out wrong pal. ANY captain that runs their mouth about how much $$$ they've accumulated has an ego problem. I simply tell them I don't want to hear about it.
42GO: you're flat out wrong pal. ANY captain that runs their mouth about how much $$$ they've accumulated has an ego problem. I simply tell them I don't want to hear about it.
02-16-2010, 03:22 AM
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21 years of human factors training at FedEx and this is what we have to show for it. Unbelievable…
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