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Old 02-18-2010, 02:11 PM
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ups managers are out in full force blaming the pending furlough on the over 60 ipa pilots. do not let these corporate wind bags distract you. let them know that the eb speaks for you and any further discussion will be considered harassment.

the rhetoric is about to reach an all time high and many of them will do or say anything because they are worried about what will happen to their jobs if the ipa doesn't cave to ups bullying.

ups managers are not your friends.

ups managers are not trying to help you.

ups managers will do and say anything and everything they are told because they are worried about themselves and themselves only.

ups managers are an illegal work force and the end is near for them.

trust no managers.

remain united with your ipa brothers.
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:16 PM
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Sorry, But I agree with the scum bags. The Age 60 rule is 100% responsible for the potential Furlough.

We have over 250 guys who would be playing golf, instead there here sucking on the Tit. Even though most have been Captains since Day One. Over 20 years left seat. Very selfish. But they have a law that lets em do it.
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:20 PM
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don't be fooled commando.

ups was 100% in favor of changing the age 60 rule. it saves them many millions in pension payouts even though it will cost them initially.

ups would like to have their cake and eat it too.

the rule changed and our fellow ipa brothers have every legal right to be here.

ups managers do not. don't be fooled.
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yes, some in ANC are very close to the ACP's there. And some are even big union/domicle reps. And some drive a van 6 hours with the ACP's to Fairbanks to save the day. ???????????
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I never understood why so many of the IPA pilots are in love with managers. You would be surprised at how many eat dinner at each other's homes, socialize and plan recreation outings with each other. How many times have you heard an IPA pilot say " I am friends with this manager but he is a good guy" or " this guy is cool he would be an IPA pilot if he was not only offered a management position."

I saw it at a major airline as well, only with scabs. There is a strange dynamic that sets up in some crazy pilots' minds that actually has them bend over for a scab and be 100% accommodating.

I forgot what the name of this syndrome is.
It's the Stockholm Syndrome...

Weatherman is right...listen to and/or believe ANY of them at your peril, especially for the foreseeable future.

Back in the good old days when we had new hires, I used to liken managers to dogs.

A dog will wag his tail and act like he's your best friend. He may let you rub him behind the ears and buy him a drink, but get between him and his food at the wrong moment and even the best dog will bite you.

Plus, many have fleas, ticks and worms.
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I never understood why so many of the IPA pilots are in love with managers. You would be surprised at how many eat dinner at each other's homes, socialize and plan recreation outings with each other. How many times have you heard an IPA pilot say " I am friends with this manager but he is a good guy" or " this guy is cool he would be an IPA pilot if he was not only offered a management position."

I saw it at a major airline as well, only with scabs. There is a strange dynamic that sets up in some crazy pilots' minds that actually has them bend over for a scab and be 100% accommodating.

I forgot what the name of this syndrome is.
The Stockholm Syndrome

We at Fedex are screwed. Our only chance is is if you get it right. Good Luck!
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Sorry, But I agree with the scum bags. The Age 60 rule is 100% responsible for the potential Furlough. .
I would say that the furlough is:

1/3 due to age 65,
1/3 due to economy
1/3 due to corporate greed
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I would say that the furlough is:

1/3 due to age 65,
1/3 due to economy
1/3 due to corporate greed
And UPS upsizing the size of their fleet and increasing the efficiency of the sort.

Indeed, the perfect fecal storm.
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....they are worried about what will happen to their jobs if the ipa doesn't cave to ups bullying....
So... without commenting on the merits (or lack thereof) of Age 65, I can confirm (from a source in the training center) that managers are PETRIFIED they will lose their jobs if a furlough happens. Part of the reason you see MDPF vice MEF on some flights is these guys (particularly training center guys) realize they have types but almost ZERO time on the jet and even the Asian airlines hiring won't touch them (unless they need sim instructors I guess). In addition to ingraciating themselves to their brown puppet masters, they're building flight time (and reworking their resumes).
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It's the Stockholm Syndrome..

Actually I think the managers suffer from Kabuki Syndrome.

(Google it)
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