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Night_Hawk 02-28-2010 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Tigerpilot1995 (Post 770482)
I am not a lawyer but I looked up that paragraph and my question is do our subcontractors use airplanes leased from UPS? Read 1.D1.c(5)i to see where I am coming from.

Disclaimer; recovering from a head injury, had a beer or two tonight, and may have completely read that paragraph wrong :D


I do not believe they do, therefore I do not see any monies being payed to furloughed IPAers.

N_H

JustUnderPar 02-28-2010 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Roberto (Post 770797)
A lot, probably most, of the management emergency flying (MEF) is not due to lack of crews per se, but from flights that get interrupted out of domicile, or flights that do not fit the contractual reserve call-out time or maximum duty time. We normally have crews around the country at home that can get to the out-of-domicile flights, or reserves that are available for those and the others, but not in a timely manner.

These flights, in good times, are covered by volunteers who pick up overtime at 150%. When our crews decline the opportunity, then management gets to fly them. Adding more pilots will not satisy these situations.

How does that fit in with your judgment?

Gee Bob. I know you love this place but come on. You normally have good information to pass? What is up? You upset no one can pick up OT? or take JA's? You see how many uncovered flights get taken by "management" in Anchorage? Last time I checked it was still a domicile:D

Roberto 02-28-2010 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by SaltyDog (Post 770944)
...UPS has cut back on Hots...

Salty,

By my count, there are currently 17 airport standby aircraft per weekday

757- (11 total) 4 in SDF, 2 each in MIA and ONT, and one each in DFW, RFD, and PHL.

A300- (4 total) 2 in SDF and 1 each in RFD and EWR

MD11- 2 in SDF

Is that a cut back in Hots?

Roberto 02-28-2010 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by JustUnderPar (Post 770995)
Gee Bob. I know you love this place but come on. You normally have good information to pass? What is up? You upset no one can pick up OT? or take JA's? You see how many uncovered flights get taken by "management" in Anchorage? Last time I checked it was still a domicile:D

I just count things and leave the good or bad up to the reader...

I haven't been looking at ANC other than reading in the forums that there is a problem with the reserve times not in complete sync with the needs, thus some JA attempts (or posts stating that some reserve crews accept the non-contractual times). That would fall in the category of "flights that do not fit the contractual reserve call-out time or maximum duty time."

If expect UPS is keeping good records of the reasons for MEF, but those are not available to me. I did qualify my post with "a lot, probably most" but that is just a guess across all fleets.

Lester Burnham 02-28-2010 05:46 PM

Roberto,

Those are scheduled hots. Most nights, tons of SDF 757 crews get called in to sit hot. I know you think this open time ban is silly, but it is having an impact. It's not going to be a factor everyday, but the company will have to account for the fact that they can't rely on the IPA pilots to pick up the slack when some kind of IROP or other unusual increase in crew requirements.

UPSFO4LIFE 02-28-2010 06:23 PM

Go look at SDF 75 opentime. Anyone who says the ban is not working, nice try. And good luck to UPS in getting all those flights covered.

SaltyDog 02-28-2010 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Roberto (Post 771002)
Salty,

By my count, there are currently 17 airport standby aircraft per weekday
.......
Is that a cut back in Hots?

Roberto,
Historically, yes. Post Teamsters team driving was first major impact on Hot coverage with reduced 4 day a week flying. Hotel Hots then cut.
Now you'll notice that even in your count that they do not have daily coverage. UPS bid packages show gaps. Example: MD-11 Hot has one each early and late Hot in SDF. Those lines have a week long gap. There is no scheduled Hot in the bid package. UPS used to have scheduled, bid package coverage for each night. No longer, Check out the 757 early and late. They double some nights and have singles on others weeks. You have counted lines at 17 Hot Lines, does not equate to 17 per night though with the gaps. Additionally, in last several years, Supervisors are now built RSV lines to include their 'FLY' days.
Presently, UPS is restricting some fleets regarding supervisor Proficiency Flying. The Supervisors will be assigned by scheds, they don't pick at their choice.
My other questions still linger in the ethernet, most notably how does FedEx manage the business with line pilots that UPS cannot?

JustUnderPar 02-28-2010 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by SaltyDog (Post 771057)
Roberto,
My other questions still linger in the ethernet, most notably how does FedEx manage the business with line pilots that UPS cannot?


FedEx works "with" their pilots. There is not a "hostile" relationship between the two(at least not constantly like here).
Of course there are people here that REALLY love it (both the job and who they work for). I wonder when the next lawsuit will be filed to change the age again. After all, some people just NEVER want to retire.:(

Roberto 02-28-2010 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE (Post 771049)
Go look at SDF 75 opentime. Anyone who says the ban is not working, nice try. And good luck to UPS in getting all those flights covered.

I followed your suggestion and looked at both FO and CPT SDF 75 opentime, and they both look about the same. However, I only counted FO and got:

52 reserves of all types or about 780 reserve days in the pay period.

About 72 days of OT.

Be careful, or you will be accused of setting me up <g>

Roberto 02-28-2010 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by SaltyDog (Post 771057)
...Those lines have a week long gap...

Salty,
The week-long gap in domicile Hot lines (3 weeks of Hot and one week off) is historically placed in VTO lines, or if unable, in OT. The out-station Hots are 2 lines but I only counted as 1 Hot. Granted, weekends are not covered in the bid packages.
Regards,
Roberto


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