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Old 03-05-2010, 09:54 PM
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I respect your objectivity. Maybe I'll be able to do follow you someday.
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FE would like confirmation that we did this. Send him a short email and just say you did it.

You can also find this by going to Alpa > About ALPA, sign in to “Members Only”, select Legislation & ALPA-PAC, in the first “call to action” select “Take action now”, log in again, it should be self-explanatory from here.) You will see the information for your two senators. You can use the sample letter or create your own.

Afterwards, please let me know via e-mail that you have contacted your legislators. Your help and participation is greatly appreciated and needed.
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Originally Posted by olly View Post
If you're an ALPA member, value your career, and want an understanding of our industry, I highly recommend you read "Flying the Line, Part II". As an ex-military guy, I had the standard viewpoints.

However, after reading the book, verifying the facts, and personally experiencing a baknruptcy, while watching big biz engage in tactics aided & abeted by very conservative judges & politicians, I have come to a different view. Most pilots are cut from a similar cloth. Most military guys are raised in a culture where you take care of your people, as well as espouse other "traditional" values. You'll find that some of the same "conservatives" that publicly espouse the mantra, execute legislative action and direction that disenfranchises the average American and labor in particular.

You can read it, verify the facts, and judge for yourself the policies, and politicians that support Americans at large or big biz, and who claim to be ethical. If you're really interested you can pm me I and can send you a few primers. Do some reading on Frank Lorenzo, and notice who was in office that allowed his carnage on tens of thousands of American citizens. Check Andy Card while your at it. Notice who he worked for as he heped push thru de-regulation of our industry. Notice who was in office when Lorenzo was banned.

There are politicians on both side of the aisle that favor our industry. Unfortunately, there are more politicians on a certain side of the aisle that disfavor labor, that have & will again write, sponsor & vote policies that are negative to airline pilots & labor in general.

Aligning with them would be cutting your own throat, they have absolutely zero interest in you, your families' or your profession's well being, regardless of what they say in press conferences- look at their votes, appointees, policies and sponsorship.
Beautifully said, Olly!!
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Old 03-06-2010, 04:32 AM
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When Alpapac lobbies for my quality of life issues like taxes, health care and freedom they can expect a contribution from me. If they have a list of candidates they want to support, pass it on I will pick and choose based on how that candidate impacts my values.
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Have you read Hard Landings? It's a good read, a bit dated now, and has quite a few chapters on the evil Lord Lorenzo.
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG View Post
When Alpapac lobbies for my quality of life issues like taxes, health care and freedom they can expect a contribution from me. If they have a list of candidates they want to support, pass it on I will pick and choose based on how that candidate impacts my values.
Does any of these sound like QOL issues?

Protecting Your Flying:
• ALPA stopped legislation that would have outsourced your flying to foreign airlines for delivering U.S. mail overseas.
• Through an all-out lobbying assault on Congress, ALPA blocked a 2006 DOT proposal that would have permitted foreign interests to control U.S. airlines.

Protecting Your Benefits:
• ALPA is lobbying for legislation that would allow pilots whose defined benefit plans had been terminated to receive, at age 60, the full PBGC benefit guarantee that is payable to others at 65.
• ALPA ensured that companies could not make unilateral changes to pilot contracts and benefits plans as a result of the increase in the retirement age to 65, saving your families millions of dollars.
• ALPA successfully supported extending unemployment benefits for furloughed airline workers following the economic downturn post-9/11.
• ALPA led a successful seven-year campaign to prohibit states from taxing former residents’ pension benefits—so-called “source taxation.”
• ALPA has stopped congressional attempts to tax your fringe benefits—including your airline pass privileges and employer-paid health care—countless times in the past 20 years.

Protecting You in the Workplace:
• ALPA persuaded Congress to require the TSA to move on expedited screening and crew access programs in the 9/11 Commission implementing bill, signed into law in August 2007.
• ALPA also led the effort to obtain legislation preventing the premature release of CVRs.
• ALPA killed many ill-conceived pilot-related proposals in Congress through the years, including:
o preventing the FAA from randomly reviewing CVRs and FDRs—a move intended to “improve cockpit discipline”;
o making pilot infractions of FARs subject to criminal penalties up to $25,000 and/or one year imprisonment;
o gutting the FAA/NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System.
• ALPA got Congress to remove the FAA from the Civil Penalties Program, giving pilots a fair process in pilot cases through the NTSB.
• ALPA has consistently fought legislative attempts to change the Railway Labor Act to favor management.
• ALPA blocked legislation by Senators McCain (R-AZ) and Lott (R-MS) to impose “baseball-style” binding arbitration during contract negotiations. This bill also would have eliminated the right to strike and diminished the role of the NMB in airline labor negotiations.
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Old 03-06-2010, 10:42 AM
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Does any of these sound like QOL issues?

Protecting Your Flying:
• ALPA stopped legislation that would have outsourced your flying to foreign airlines for delivering U.S. mail overseas.
• Through an all-out lobbying assault on Congress, ALPA blocked a 2006 DOT proposal that would have permitted foreign interests to control U.S. airlines.

Protecting Your Benefits:
• ALPA is lobbying for legislation that would allow pilots whose defined benefit plans had been terminated to receive, at age 60, the full PBGC benefit guarantee that is payable to others at 65.
• ALPA ensured that companies could not make unilateral changes to pilot contracts and benefits plans as a result of the increase in the retirement age to 65, saving your families millions of dollars.
• ALPA successfully supported extending unemployment benefits for furloughed airline workers following the economic downturn post-9/11.
• ALPA led a successful seven-year campaign to prohibit states from taxing former residents’ pension benefits—so-called “source taxation.”
• ALPA has stopped congressional attempts to tax your fringe benefits—including your airline pass privileges and employer-paid health care—countless times in the past 20 years.

Protecting You in the Workplace:
• ALPA persuaded Congress to require the TSA to move on expedited screening and crew access programs in the 9/11 Commission implementing bill, signed into law in August 2007.
• ALPA also led the effort to obtain legislation preventing the premature release of CVRs.
• ALPA killed many ill-conceived pilot-related proposals in Congress through the years, including:
o preventing the FAA from randomly reviewing CVRs and FDRs—a move intended to “improve cockpit discipline”;
o making pilot infractions of FARs subject to criminal penalties up to $25,000 and/or one year imprisonment;
o gutting the FAA/NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System.
• ALPA got Congress to remove the FAA from the Civil Penalties Program, giving pilots a fair process in pilot cases through the NTSB.
• ALPA has consistently fought legislative attempts to change the Railway Labor Act to favor management.
• ALPA blocked legislation by Senators McCain (R-AZ) and Lott (R-MS) to impose “baseball-style” binding arbitration during contract negotiations. This bill also would have eliminated the right to strike and diminished the role of the NMB in airline labor negotiations.
Does this sound familiar:

Harry Reid circa 2006: The war is over we lost.

Barrack Obama Summer 2008: The surge will never work.

Is my QOL better or worse because the ALPAPAC supported party controls congress. You can make your call, I'll make mine.
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Originally Posted by olly View Post
If you're an ALPA member, value your career, and want an understanding of our industry, I highly recommend you read "Flying the Line, Part II". As an ex-military guy, I had the standard viewpoints.

However, after reading the book, verifying the facts, and personally experiencing a baknruptcy, while watching big biz engage in tactics aided & abeted by very conservative judges & politicians, I have come to a different view. Most pilots are cut from a similar cloth. Most military guys are raised in a culture where you take care of your people, as well as espouse other "traditional" values. You'll find that some of the same "conservatives" that publicly espouse the mantra, execute legislative action and direction that disenfranchises the average American and labor in particular.

You can read it, verify the facts, and judge for yourself the policies, and politicians that support Americans at large or big biz, and who claim to be ethical. If you're really interested you can pm me I and can send you a few primers. Do some reading on Frank Lorenzo, and notice who was in office that allowed his carnage on tens of thousands of American citizens. Check Andy Card while your at it. Notice who he worked for as he heped push thru de-regulation of our industry. Notice who was in office when Lorenzo was banned.

There are politicians on both side of the aisle that favor our industry. Unfortunately, there are more politicians on a certain side of the aisle that disfavor labor, that have & will again write, sponsor & vote policies that are negative to airline pilots & labor in general.

Aligning with them would be cutting your own throat, they have absolutely zero interest in you, your families' or your profession's well being, regardless of what they say in press conferences- look at their votes, appointees, policies and sponsorship.
I am always amazed at the number of otherwise intelligent people that fall for this point of view. Here is the real big picture:

"Union density (the percentage of workers belonging to unions) has been declining since the late 1940s, however. Almost 36% of American workers were represented by unions in 1945. Historically, the rapid growth of public employee unions since the 1960s has served to mask an even more dramatic decline in private-sector union membership.

At the apex of union density in the 1940s, only about 9.8% of public employees were represented by unions, while 33.9% of private, non-agricultural workers had such representation. In this decade, those proportions have essentially reversed, with 36% of public workers being represented by unions while private sector union density had plummeted to around 7%. Recently, workers have increasingly chosen union membership. The US Bureau of Labor Statistics most recent survey indicates that union membership in the US has risen to 12.4% of all workers, from 12.1% in 2007. Private sector union membership has rebounded as well, increasing from 7.5% in 2007 to 7.6% in 2008."


Unions have been crushed by both parties for the last seventy years, except in the public sector.
Politicos have shown exceptional skill at feathering their own nest and bankrupting the country and little else.
Both sides will lie to you and gladly take your money, but now you know the result over the long term.

In the end, you will understand that paying some greasy pimp in a suit for a favor just doesn't work out in the long run for anybody except the greasy pimp, and you might want to ask yourself why you are paying for something that rightfully belongs to you anyway. That would be equal treatment under the law.

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Originally Posted by FDXLAG View Post
Does this sound familiar:

Harry Reid circa 2006: The war is over we lost.

Barrack Obama Summer 2008: The surge will never work.

Is my QOL better or worse because the ALPAPAC supported party controls congress. You can make your call, I'll make mine.
Is your QOL better because Saddam Hussein is Dead?
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Is your QOL better because Saddam Hussein is Dead?

Yes it is better because Saddam and over 45000 other terrorists were killed over there instead of over here. I am not trying to make this a political discussision. Those of you who prioritize God/Family/Country/Job&Union Member in a different order than I, feel free. And let me feel free at least until ALPAPAC helps finish turning this country into France by contributing to "ProLabor" politicians.
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