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We will give it a few hours to see where it goes. If its all in fun and is a light hearted thread then it stays. If it turns into flamebait it will go again.

Yes. It will get worse as they attempt to teach us a lesson about who is in charge. They will do this with what was issued this weekend to he crews in ANC.:(

What was it?

22 more furloughs.

Combination of change of reserve times, sched bid and of course the layoff `of crewmembers.
The future- UPS will sqeeze until they feel better even if it costs them money, UPS will then concede something to the union, the pilots will get back 80% of what they sqeezed out of us and the pilots will feel like they have won. If you get a chance look at the scheds from ten years ago and see how far they have declined in quality.

Spot on, agree 100%! This place is run by morons!

Good paycheck, terrible company. Now that the [illusion of?] stability is gone from this place, it's viability as a long term career choice is similar to deciding if you'd like to poke yourself in the eye with a sharp stick on and off for the next 30 years. Oh, and the stick has been floating in raw sewage. And it's on fire.

Good times.

Quit your crying.....This is the best jobe you'll ever hate. Its so bad we got pilots quiting left and right going to higher paid jobs!

Its time you people start acting like professionals and not like three year olds.

BTW -54 furlouges in 23 years...pretty impressive!!! Now get back to work!

Deep thoughts by FrontSeat. Do us all a favor and go to an Airline that do not suck.

Sorry all, I've got my moronic troll filter on. Did something constructive come out of the previous two posts?

The only thing good about this job is the pay, thanks to the IPA. Even the FQS's know that UPS is screwing up the airline and none of them know where the decisions are coming from. As far as stability goes it is great if you are in the top 25% of the seniority list other than that it is not so great. UPS airlines reached it's max size 3 years ago. They are going to make the airline as small as they can for the foreseeable future.

Best job I have ever had and worst company and people to work for comes to mind! Sideshow taught me that one, and now he has a middle finger up and pointing it to the company. If people want to come to work for these Douche Bags, I would say you should get your head examined! Unfortunately the quality of life here is going to continue downhill until people grow a pair and stand up to these bullies and say we are tired of these bull**** schedules and we won't fly them!

What about the pilot who is " too afraid" to sue TG for breaking into his hotel room? for fear of failing check rides in the future....(rumor only going all around)

We are doomed if these are the people we are counting on to grow a pair.....

Why do pilots still get ARTRs' to push early instead of on time?

Too bad. For many ,UPS was a dream, like reaching the moon.

if you factor in the first year wages and the RDG that most did, and that most of the pilots getting furloughed could have stayed at their prior companies even if it was for less hourly ,,,,,,the compensation here has not been that great for having to deal with FQS , ANC and morons

wow......speechless.......

You are factually mistaken about the TG situation. Just call the IPA guy involved. I'm sure he will be glad to set you straight.

Now your 3rd line - I agree with completely. No reason to be helping the company with guys on the street.

It may be untrue, but this is the rumor that is going around, can't call him, its top secret who he is, names were not named........and being that its been so long since the criminal activity and all is silent what are the indians supposed to believe? That the EB is "on it" with all the silence on the issue or the rumors that are going around are true?

BP said they were "on it" re the gulf

Someplace in the middle? it would not be the worst thing to post an update on the ipnn as to the status of the situation. Even to say that they are still looking into it..

Chart of FDX and UPS stock 1989 to today. Also I know UPS didn't go public until 1999.

FedEx Corporation: NYSE:FDX quotes & news - Google Finance

Anyone who has a lot of time left at UPS should be a little worried. UPS management are too scared about making a wrong decision, that no decision is made until it is forced on them. This has left the door open to FedEx to capitalize on UPS failings.

From the Motley Fool.

"CEO Fred Smith sees improving global economic conditions and related continued growth in his business, along with improving margins.

Smith also relayed positive news regarding the inventory situations for companies they serve: "Shipments by air are growing, largely aided by the current inventory cycle, as companies find themselves with inventories too lean to meet customer demand using slower modes of transport."

Also noteworthy from the call -- expect a bump up in capital expenditures over normal levels, to $3.2 billion for the fiscal-year. The main reason is the purchase of more of the fuel-efficient Boeing 777 aircraft, which Smith says is "a significant competitive advantage for us" that allows later cutoff delivery times in some major global markets.

If you're a FedEx shareholder, the increase in CapEx is a good glimpse at how your management is thinking. "We're confident," says Smith, "investments in the Boeing 777's and 757's will improve returns for our shareowners by increasing margins, returns on invested capital and cash flow."

When you come right down to it, that's what it's all about."

Fed Ex is so forward thinking. They bought 757's 25 years ago right? Then all the dc-10s from multiple carriers with multiple gear configurations. Then let's save some money by putting in a new panel to cut out the flight engineer. Don't worry about engines or fuel efficiency. Then we can park the MD-10's. Fred needs to paint a pretty picture for share holders so he can replace all those dinosaurs in Memphis.

This is supposed to be a ups sucks thread....only took 1 page to turn it into FEDEX

please only share your ups sucks experiences

Sounds like discrimination to me. Are FedEx folks supposed to open their own thread? ;)

Well I've made the trip to the "moon". This place sucks - period. The only positive thing to say is the paycheck WAS good. Will it stay that way - highly unlikely.

The average UPS captain flies 250 hours per year, makes +250k per year, has 2 retirement plans that are fully funded, medical coverage that is one of the best in the airline industry, and has never taken a pay cut (or even deferred a pay raise).

PLEASE leave if you are that unhappy. Do all of us a favor. Thank god you are not a relative that I have to live with 24/7. The good news is for everyone one of you, we have 10 pilots who appreciate their blessings and provide a positive contribution to the workplace.

UPSierra, I am not trying to be negative, but you are only pointing out what some people on the seniority list have. Many people here don't have what you are describing and it is possible they may never get it. I hope I can enjoy what is currently offered as a senior captain at UPS, but I certainly don't count on it. After I come back from furlough, I only hope I get to upgrade before I retire. I am in my mid 40's, and under the current path it looks doubtful I will have what these guys have.

And the average junior FO has been on the chopping block since they got here, was moved 4000 miles to Anchorage and furloughed, and has an income of ZERO now. Happy that you have had such a great run here and a wonderful experience. But, maybe you should pull your head out of the sand or your @$%@ and look around and see what the junior crew members here are experiencing.

Fedex this fedex that...Bla bla bla. Here's you perfect oppurtunity to leave UPS and the Evil Empire!!!Get out now while you can. Follow the light Naven to the purple wonderland. Theres a statue of Fred Smith you can worship.

Back to reality...none of you have the brass to leave UPS because this the best job you've ever had! Try to be professional, and everything will be just fine. Act like a three year old and we will treat you like one!!!!!

Most of your comments are degrading and condescending, but you have different expectations of others on this thread? If you expect professionalism from others, you certainly don't promote it with you posts.

You should have said the average UPS captain hired right into the left seat in their 20's or 30's in 88......Those guys seem to have won the lottery when it comes to airline jobs. Others have done quite well, here, but that group got here at the right time.

Gumbie,
Thats all we want, for our fellow UPS'ers to get back to work. Glad to see you on the bandwagon. You said it very well! Something am sure we all can agree. ;)

I am leaving, not by choice. I think you are one of the few pilots here who when asked in cockpit about the furlough you say "we have pilots on furlough?"

I will never upgrade at this company until I am an old man. I bet you have the same circumstances? right?

Do the numbers sometime Mr onlyanumber ... you will be LUCKY to upgrade before retirement. But you may be able to bid out of ANC for a few years to the right seat before 65.

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:eek:If that were only true Mr Professional !

I've been a professional for 20+ years at numerous airlines. UPS is the first that treats its crewmembers like 3 year olds.

Must be something that you did before I got here. Thanks for that !



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I'm glad you have it so great. If it were not for multiple moves, training events, RIF's, downgrades, hotel breakins and furloughs, I would agree with you. Maybe this is payback for voting down a large retirement in the last contract.... oh wait, I forgot, we were not here yet, we didn't have a vote.

For those on this thread with their heads in the sand, the number is no longer 54. We had 22 more people join the furlough list today. I hope that you all find employment with a company that cares about their people. Good luck to all of you.

Broke into his hotel room? Can you elaborate on that please?

Its been detailed to death in another thread but the gist of it is an ANC flight manager along with a hotel staffer broke into a hotel room while a guy was in the shower to hand him a flight assignment.