Luckydawg,

I'm a person that it doesn't matter what I have or don't have. I am looking for a job at the same time as typing this. Finding a job is my full time job. OK Posting here is too :D When I die they won't talk about the toys or money or my job I had. The only way I will be judged is by the Children I raised. Sucks that they are up north with the Grandparents for two weeks :( (thats why I have all the free time right now)

I'm not looking for sympathy. Actually I'd do anything I could to help. I just disagree with the one sided bashing (that isn't without merit that is) of a company that has been in my family for so long. My family depends on it just like yours and the furloughed pilots. UPS Customers depend on it.


I feel that UPS should give the furloughed pilots especially the ones that moved to ANC financial help. Didn't the pilots that moved to ANC have to sign a 3 yr commitment to live there if UPS paid for it? Why didn't the IPA put a clause in that agreement that if a furlough took place that UPS would provide financial assistance to them for moving back to the lower 48?

I understand fully about the furloughed pilots being upset. When what happened to me went down, I was very upset. I loved my job and the rug was pulled out after 17 years of loyalty. I don't have an option of going back unless I go thru the entire rehire process again and start at the bottom. With me It wasn't my fault or the companys fault. It just is what it is and you can't give up. The anger will consume you.

Isn't the current IPA-UPS contract due to expire at the end of 2011 and amendable this year? Could the furloughs be just a part of the games that are played on both sides at negotation time? Either way there is hope for them to go back with peak, retirements, aircraft deliveries and hopefully FDX under the same NLRA rules that govern UPS.

Surely, someone as knowledgeable as yourself should know that contracts under the RLA don't expire! :rolleyes:

Just sayin!:cool:

Is UPS under RLA? :rolleyes:

Come one now! So much history with UPS, practically your life blood, and you don't know?


Since you like to post unsourced material, I'll post you a sourced piece, straight from IPA's website...Bargaining Under the Railway Labor Act
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They don't expire? :rolleyes: So after the the contract negotiation process are exhausted under the RLA they don't expire? A person as knowledgeable as yourself care to explain :rolleyes:?

Under the RLA, a contract becomes amendable, it does not expire. Of course, if you had checked out the link that I posted, you would have learned that! Here, let me a help a little bit more ... When do collective bargaining agreements expire under the RLA?

When do collective bargaining agreements expire under the RLA?
Under the RLA, agreements do not have expiration dates; instead they have amendable dates which are indicated within the agreement. IPA’s contract became amendable December 31, 2003. Until a mutually negotiated change is accepted by both parties to the agreement, the provisions of the original agreement remain in full force. This is commonly referred to as "status quo." Both the union and the company have a legal obligation to maintain the status quo until the process of the RLA has been fully exhausted.


"Status quo" is pretty much the whole point of the RLA, isn't it?! But then again, you knew that already, right?!:rolleyes:

Railroad Labor Act Overview

Since you like to quote a union site :rolleyes:

Unlike other industries, collective bargaining agreements under the RLA do not expire on certain dates, but remain in full force and effect until changed in accordance with the procedures of the RLA.
If, after the final 30-day status quo period has expired, a settlement has not been reached, the parties are free to resort to self-help and cannot be enjoined from doing so.

Self-help. The RLA is silent on the scope of allowable self-help available to the parties after they have exhausted the major dispute resolution procedures. However, court decisions have made clear that the scope of permissible self-help is broad, extending considerably beyond the bounds of self-help that would be permitted to employers and unions covered by the National Labor Relations Act ("NLRA"). Courts have ruled, for example, that an RLA union may strike and peacefully picket a carrier with which it has a primary dispute, engage in intermittent work stoppages ( e.g ., "selective" or "rolling strikes"), and secondarily picket other neutral RLA employers (a practice prohibited under the NLRA). For carriers, self-help includes: implementing their proposed contract changes; making a national response to defend against a selective strike that jeopardizes national bargaining, including locking out striking workers and, if the labor contract with non-striking workers permits, other workers; and replacing striking workers. The courts cannot enjoin such self-help activity.

Of course you knew that :rolleyes:

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You also knew that we have to be released to strike, which is not going to happen. This go around we get to drag our feet and not settle the contract for years. Should be fun not getting back to the company for months because we can't decide if we want to keep zipper ties or go with clip ons instead.

- The parties must confer, and if they fail to resolve the dispute, either or both may invoke the services of the NMB. The NMB may also offer its services if it finds a labor emergency to exist.

- The NMB can keep the parties in mediation indefinitely, so long as it feels there is a reasonable prospect for settlement. However, if mediation fails, the NMB must endeavor to induce the parties to submit the controversy to binding arbitration, which can take place, however, only if both consent.